infinite reasons made me not to believe islam

[Scented Nectar]

(6th July 2010 19:39)mo3taz3nbar Wrote:  

Quote:What I asked about was whether you agree with the punishments your god assigns to the the behaviours he considers to be sins? Is an eternity of hell a just punishment for mild disobedience that causes no real harm to others, like not praying?

eternity for hell is the punishment of denying god existance or for worshiping anything rather than him like pagans or humans
about the punishments to behaviour god consider as a sin i except them as long as i can choose and i have the control over myself.

I already know that you accept them. Do you think that the punishments fit the crimes? What harm is caused by not praying, unless your god is so weak that his feelings get hurt without constant prayers? Are god's hurt feelings for something so small deserving of the non-praying person being punished forever?

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Quote:Do you feel scared at the thought of looking at your personal opinions of god's behaviour and his orders to you? You believe he can read your mind so I don't blame you if you are scared.

lol it doesnt work like this the problem here is that you are talking about god like he is someone like us.i dont see it like this

If he is so different than us that he thinks it's ok to cause suffering over his petty hurt feelings (I thought he was supposed to be better than us!), then maybe he does not know how to truly love his creations. He must be so different than us that our bad human emotions of love and kindness don't matter. He likes to cause suffering, he even says the pain he causes is the right way of how things should be. You have been shown now many times all the suffering he causes. It's a very good thing someone like that is not real. He does not have your best interests at heart, only his own, proven by his demand for lots of displaying how much you worship him and how much you think he's better than everyone.

So, if his personality is so shitty, is he really a god? I know you justify it with statements that we cannot know why god does what he does, and that we should accept it and consider it to be good just because god told us it's good, but is it good? If it's not so perfectly good the way a god must be, then maybe you are following a false religion. I don't know of any which are not false. You might need to come to your own new conclusion if you really do believe there must have been a creator god, since none of the existing messages about what god is have been perfect so far, from any religion so far.

Quote:god is the creator of everything he owns you and owns every little thing in this world and he chose us to be the once honored to decide wether to worship him or not and we belong to him. whatever the rules he put for us wether you like it or not it will apply to you
saying that the punishment is not fair means that you want to do the wrong thing and not being punished for it even if you knew the result before you do it which i really dont understand

You can't be expected to follow an order under threat if you don't already believe that the threatener (god) is real BEFORE you hear the threat from their spokeperson (human muslim). Unless he is very stupid and flawed, your god cannot seriously expect obedience until a person FIRST believes he and his orders/punishments are real.

There are a ton of unanswered questions from some earlier posts here. I am still curious as to your answers. Not other stuff instead of answers please, just answers to the actual questions would be nice.

[mo3taz3nbar]

Quote:I already know that you accept them. Do you think that the punishments fit the crimes? What harm is caused by not praying, unless your god is so weak that his feelings get hurt without constant prayers? Are god's hurt feelings for something so small deserving of the non-praying person being punished forever?

non praying person will not be punished forever.the prayer doesnt make any difference to god as the case for the non believers if all the world become non believers that will not make even a little difference to god whatever you do you are doing it to save yourself and god told you what to do to reach this

Quote:You might need to come to your own new conclusion if you really do believe there must have been a creator god, since none of the existing messages about what god is have been perfect so far, from any religion so far.

i dont know what to do you are assuming my answers in the middle of your conversation and then continue according to the answer you assumed and you also ignore previous answers

Quote:There are a ton of unanswered questions from some earlier posts here. I am still curious as to your answers. Not other stuff instead of answers please, just answers to the actual questions would be nice.

maybe thats because the posts is getting so big and every part you are talking about could take a whole thread so i just give short answers.
lets get to the bottom of all this we are not going to get a common understanding of each other unless we are in the same place and we think the same about god and about ourselves.you just need to see how small you are in the universe we are here in a test we are not god to decide the rules and that is the case wether you accept it or not most of your talking really contains arrogance towards god.if you in one day get really sick or get close to death thats when you will understand that you are a weak creature and that without god you cant do anything for yourself
by looking to anyone he is nothing in the universe his spirit is the great thing so wether you make it clean and pure and become better than any creature that ever existed or getting it into the other things that will make it worthless
if you want to talk more plz open a thread in each subject because this is really getting messed up

[Darwinian]

The fact that you never seem to respond to any of the points I put to you is really starting to p*ss me off

[Paul the Human]

He keeps claiming that people are ignoring his answers. This leads me to suspect that he actually thinks he has provided them... but no one can be that stupid. Can they?

[Minimalist]

Quote:so i just give short answers.

Long or short doesn't matter. It's always the same shit. "The koran says......"

Who cares what it says?

[Scented Nectar]

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[mo3taz3nbar]

(6th July 2010 21:49)Paul the Human Wrote:  He keeps claiming that people are ignoring his answers. This leads me to suspect that he actually thinks he has provided them... but no one can be that stupid. Can they?

before being that rude read the posts before maybe you will understand.i will just ignore your rudness as this shows who are the stupid one

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(6th July 2010 21:31)Darwinian Wrote:  The fact that you never seem to respond to any of the points I put to you is really starting to p*ss me off

am sorry about that but you are assuming that am deluded and blind because i have different opinion so i thought you wasnt looking for an answer

[Moros Synackaon]

(6th July 2010 23:39)mo3taz3nbar Wrote:  

(6th July 2010 21:49)Paul the Human Wrote:  He keeps claiming that people are ignoring his answers. This leads me to suspect that he actually thinks he has provided them... but no one can be that stupid. Can they?

before being that rude read the posts before maybe you will understand.i will just ignore your rudness as this shows who are the stupid one

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(6th July 2010 21:31)Darwinian Wrote:  The fact that you never seem to respond to any of the points I put to you is really starting to p*ss me off

am sorry about that but you are assuming that am deluded and blind because i have different opinion so i thought you wasnt looking for an answer

That's rich - after refusing to acknowledge the answers others wrote in response to your statements and then claiming that no one read them in addition to falling back to the "I've got an opinion" bullshit, you have the temerity to even conceive that any single one of us has one ounce of respect for you.

You are beyond contempt - a man who willingly ignores reason that conflicts with his own childish beliefs.

Go blow yourself up or something - at least you'll be making yourself useful to someone else with at least the basic ability to plan and understand basic logic to carry out actions.

[Minimalist]

Quote:You are beyond contempt - a man who willingly ignores reason that conflicts with his own childish beliefs.

He's probably studying to be an ayatollah or some such shit.

[KichigaiNeko]

(7th July 2010 02:48)Minimalist Wrote:  

Quote:You are beyond contempt - a man who willingly ignores reason that conflicts with his own childish beliefs.

He's probably studying to be an ayatollah or some such shit.

Errrmmm

Don't you have to be brain damaged or senile or extremely old to be an ayatollah??