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[Catholic_Lady]

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Like hell you didn't, you lying sack...it's all in the Show Content box, in black and white.

So saying that a person is less likely to be a victim if they minimize the stimuli for being a victim doesn't make since to you.

I'm just defending rapist huh?

Let me give you an example;

One night at approx. 2am my significant other and I went out to celebrate her birthday against my better judgement in New Orleans.

I being a native of sorts kinda knew better, but went anyway.

Upon arrival a predatory criminal noticed us. Long story short I was robbed, my woman was nearly dragged off and raped and I was shot at.

Now, if I had used the little judgement, instead of letting greed and pride cloud my judgement I could have  averted the crime by easily not putting myself in that situation in the first place.

I guess to you, I'm defending the dog that robbed, attempted to rape, and shot at me though, right?

Get your head out of your Ass.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

Pops, first of all I am so sorry about what happened to you and your girl. 

Please understand we are not saying precautions shouldn't be taken in order to not put yourself in dangerous situations... such as walking through the ghettos at night or something. We are simply making the point that dress doesn't really play a role here. I think part of the reason why you are getting such hostile responses is because of the tone and attitude of your first post - particularly referring to a woman as a "whore." That's just not going to go well with anyone.

[popsthebuilder]

So saying that a person is less likely to be a victim if they minimize the stimuli for being a victim doesn't make since to you.

I'm just defending rapist huh?

Let me give you an example;

One night at approx. 2am my significant other and I went out to celebrate her birthday against my better judgement in New Orleans.

I being a native of sorts kinda knew better, but went anyway.

Upon arrival a predatory criminal noticed us. Long story short I was robbed, my woman was nearly dragged off and raped and I was shot at.

Now, if I had used the little judgement, instead of letting greed and pride cloud my judgement I could have  averted the crime by easily not putting myself in that situation in the first place.

I guess to you, I'm defending the dog that robbed, attempted to rape, and shot at me though, right?

Get your head out of your Ass.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

Hey, I'm really sorry to hear that you had such a horrendous, traumatic experience.

But I'm sorry, it doesn't change the point.

It has already been repeatedly acknowledged in this thread,
that while rape is never the fault of anyone but the rapist,
that doesn't mean that people shouldn't exercise prudence,
and not put themselves into high-risk situations.

But what was more recently being argued,
was whether or not a woman's dress had anything to do with the risk,
....and I didn't see anywhere in your post that mentioned your wife's style of dress.

What was risky was the location and the timing...as far as I'm able to tell from your story.

So you may have just proved our point:

Even a demurely-dressed woman, in the company of her husband,
is at risk, depending on factors other than how she is dressed.

The point is that the crime is that of opportunity, and I get that. But to claim that a criminal would equally pick a modest woman(that wouldn't even be in that situation) and a promiscuous woman regardless of sexuality, if all other controls were the same is nonsense to me.

If dress is an expression, and the expression put forth by that dress(among other things) is that of sexuality, then a sexual predator(opportunistic or not) will obviously be attracted to it.

You will not change my mind on this. I agree with your points, but they are not the only factors involved.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

[popsthebuilder]

So saying that a person is less likely to be a victim if they minimize the stimuli for being a victim doesn't make since to you.

I'm just defending rapist huh?

Let me give you an example;

One night at approx. 2am my significant other and I went out to celebrate her birthday against my better judgement in New Orleans.

I being a native of sorts kinda knew better, but went anyway.

Upon arrival a predatory criminal noticed us. Long story short I was robbed, my woman was nearly dragged off and raped and I was shot at.

Now, if I had used the little judgement, instead of letting greed and pride cloud my judgement I could have  averted the crime by easily not putting myself in that situation in the first place.

I guess to you, I'm defending the dog that robbed, attempted to rape, and shot at me though, right?

Get your head out of your Ass.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

Pops, first of all I am so sorry about what happened to you and your girl. 

Please understand we are not saying precautions shouldn't be taken in order to not put yourself in dangerous situations... such as walking through the ghettos at night or something. We are simply making the point that dress doesn't really play a role here. I think part of the reason why you are getting such hostile responses is because of the tone and attitude of your first post - particularly referring to a woman as a "whore." That's just not going to go well with anyone.

Thanks, but every thing happens for a reason, that lessons might be learned.

Never said a scantily dressed woman was a literal whore. Not did I say a sexual man was a rapist.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

[MTL]

The point is that the crime is that of opportunity, and I get that. But to claim that a criminal would equally pick a modest woman(that wouldn't even be in that situation) and a promiscuous woman regardless of sexuality, if all other controls were the same is nonsense to me.

If dress is an expression, and the expression put forth by that dress(among other things) is that of sexuality, then a sexual predator(opportunistic or not) will obviously be attracted to it.

You will not change my mind on this. I agree with your points, but they are not the only factors involved.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

Pops,

Time and again, rape treatment experts tell us that 90% of rapes are someone the victim knows.

That rape is almost always about power, and rarely about sex.

Listen,

I will readily admit that there are exceptions to this:

It usually in SITUATIONS that are ALREADY SEXUAL IN NATURE,
where it's not much of a jump, for a rapist to force sex to occur.

For example, I was date-raped when I was 15, by my then-boyfriend.
It was my first time, I was a virgin,
and we were fooling around.

But I only wanted to go so far, and told him to stop,
...and he didn't.

I believe THAT was about sex....not power.

He was just a spoiled, entitled, juvenile, horny young man,
who never liked being told 'no'
...especially he was so close to getting what he wanted.

however,

While I have no doubt whatsoever that prostitutes probably end up getting raped far more than the average woman,
I don't think it is because their situation is primarily sexual in nature,
I think it is because their situation is primarily highly-vulnerable to exploitation.

And yes, a provocatively dressed woman will undoubtedly come in for more sexual harassment,
walking down a busy street, in the middle of the day,
than a demurely-dressed one,

so it only stands to reason that if you changed the surroundings to a dark alley at night,
she might be putting herself at an even greater risk;

HOWEVER,

I have been sexually-harassed more times in my life than I can count,
and I'm not a provocative dresser AT ALL.

And MANY, MANY women will tell you the same thing.

And it was often at work, or school,
where harassment is officially against the rules,
and where I know my assailant

...not some dark alley.

I've been followed, by strangers, in public, more than once in my life,
and again, I wasn't provocatively-dressed.

And it's not like I'm a playboy centerfold, or a supermodel or anything;
I'm a very average woman.  I'm not even big-chested.
I don't wear tight clothes, heels, or makeup.

This raises the question:

If a man wants to rape, why would he put himself at risk,
by doing it in a situation where is he more likely to be caught or named?

The answer is twofold:

1.  Rapists are messed-up people

2.  Because it is about the vulnerability of the victim, and the power of the assailant.

Also:

The men who make a big show of catcalling, wolf-whistling
or otherwise harassing a provocatively-dressed woman on the street,
are usually either hoping she will notice them,
or they're just showing off for their stupid friends.

Whereas a would-be rapist of serious intent,
unless he is a completely psychotic, raving lunatic,
is less likely to make a spectacle of himself in public.

And a demurely-dressed, unsuspecting, lone teenager in a hoodie and jeans,
who just wants to mind their own business and doesn't go looking for trouble,
who gets off the bus and quickly walks home from work at night,
is a far more palatable target to a would-be rapist,
because they're more likely to freeze in fear,

than a confident, worldly woman who is deliberately putting it out there,
and is prepared for whatever reaction it may generate,
and is more likely to fight back.
She's obviously the kind of person who has no problem being the centre of attention,
so I doubt she would hesitate to put up a fight, if she had to.

Regardless of dress, whether provocative or demure,
if a woman gets herself blind-drunk,
or gets lost, alone, in a strange place, late at night,
then yes, she is taking a risk.

Let's say you have a party, and a bunch of teenagers who get wasted.

Two girls, one dressed provocatively, and the other not, both pass out in separate bedrooms.

I say there is just as much likelihood that the the demurely-dressed one will be raped,
as the provocatively-dressed one

....maybe even more, if the demure one is introspective by nature,
and the provocatively-dressed one is assertive.

The rapist will target the one least likely to fight back.

[ErGingerbreadMandude]

Feminists are hilarious. Instead of helping women that get brutally raped and murdered almost every day in places like Afghanistan with organization like ISIS promoting these cruelty they are busy fighting the college boy that had hardcore sex with his girlfriend.

HANG HIM!! haha, lol.

I've seen videos of women getting raped and then decapitated by fucking assholes of a cunts of terrorists. This is real misogyny. This is what you should be fighting against. This is sexism. What are you doing to help these helpless women? Oh let me guess, you eat 3 times a day, you claim the guy that calls a girl "honey" a sexist, you shame a guy for embracing his masculinity and then you take a shit 2 times a day.

[MTL]

Feminists are hilarious. Instead of helping women that get brutally raped and murdered almost every day in places like Afghanistan with organization like ISIS promoting these cruelty they are busy fighting the college boy that had hardcore sex with his girlfriend.

HANG HIM!! haha, lol.

I've seen videos of women getting raped and then decapitated by fucking assholes of a cunts of terrorists. This is real misogyny. This is what you should be fighting against. This is sexism. What are you doing to help these helpless women? Oh let me guess, you eat 3 times a day, you claim the guy that calls a girl "honey" a sexist, you shame a guy for embracing his masculinity and then you take a shit 2 times a day.

Troll.

Where do you get your information,
that people in the west, feminist or otherwise, are NOT doing whatever is in their power,
to help women oppressed and raped, overseas?

That is a completely presumptuous, baseless, arrogant and incorrect statement.

troll, troll, troll.

Just saying stuff that you know can be effortlessly discredited,
just stirring the pot for the sake of stirring the pot.

[MTL]

And for the record, "feminist" is a term that I am reluctant to apply to myself.

[ErGingerbreadMandude]

Feminists are hilarious. Instead of helping women that get brutally raped and murdered almost every day in places like Afghanistan with organization like ISIS promoting these cruelty they are busy fighting the college boy that had hardcore sex with his girlfriend.

HANG HIM!! haha, lol.

I've seen videos of women getting raped and then decapitated by fucking assholes of a cunts of terrorists. This is real misogyny. This is what you should be fighting against. This is sexism. What are you doing to help these helpless women? Oh let me guess, you eat 3 times a day, you claim the guy that calls a girl "honey" a sexist, you shame a guy for embracing his masculinity and then you take a shit 2 times a day.

Troll.

Where do you get your information,
that people in the west, feminist or otherwise, are NOT doing whatever is in their power,
to help women oppressed and raped, overseas?

That is a completely presumptuous, baseless, arrogant and incorrect statement.

troll, troll, troll.

Just saying stuff that you know can be effortlessly discredited,
just stirring the pot for the sake of stirring the pot.

Would you like to provide some instances where feminists have made an impact on helping these women overseas? I'd be very glad if you could provide some sources. It'd surely change some of my views.

Meanwhile, why don't you cry troll a few more times? I'm sure it'll make you feel better.

P.S: Know Malala? She's a real feminist, someone that I fucking adore. She fights against real problem of women like women being denied their right to attend school and such in third world shit countires. She took a fucking bullet ffs. Meanwhile the "intelligent" feminists are busy helping women by #pissforequality

[Catholic_Lady]

And for the record, "feminist" is a term that I am reluctant to apply to myself.

Same here.

[MTL]

Troll.

Where do you get your information,
that people in the west, feminist or otherwise, are NOT doing whatever is in their power,
to help women oppressed and raped, overseas?

That is a completely presumptuous, baseless, arrogant and incorrect statement.

troll, troll, troll.

Just saying stuff that you know can be effortlessly discredited,
just stirring the pot for the sake of stirring the pot.

Would you like to provide some instances where feminists have made an impact on helping these women overseas? I'd be very glad if you could provide some sources. It'd surely change some of my views.

Canadian Women for Women in Afghanistan

Women Helping Women in Asia

Women for Women in Africa

Stop Female Genital Mutilation Now

Canadian Grannies Helping African Grannies

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That's the tip of the iceberg.