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Seeing a Woman: A conversation between father and son.
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Seeing a Woman: A conversation between father and son.
With all the poisonous talk going around the forum regarding rape and women's clothes, I thought it only appropriate to post this awesome article about how men are more than their temptations and women are more than their bodies. 

http://natepyle.com/seeing-a-woman/

If I have a son one day, I hope my husband can talk to him like this.

There is so much more, but here is a short excerpt: 



Quote:There are two views regarding a woman’s dress code that you will be pressured to buy into. One view will say that women need to dress to get the attention of men. The other view will say women need to dress to protect men from themselves. Son, you are better than both of these. A woman, or any human being, should not have to dress to get your attention. You should give them the full attention they deserve simply because they are a fellow human being. On the other side, a woman should not have to feel like she needs to protect you from you. You need to be in control of you.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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Interesting read.

Thanks for posting, CL.
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RE: Seeing a Woman: A conversation between father and son.
I bet your hubby won't even need to have that talk.  If you don't present a child with either of those two deeply disturbing points of view you may be surprised by what they don't come up with on their own.
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RE: Seeing a Woman: A conversation between father and son.
I never had that conversation with my father or anyone else for that matter. My whole upbringing and socialisation told me, that women aren't cheap meat.

Do I feel attracted when a pretty woman dresses sexy? Of course, and I think that's natural. But it doesn't go beyond that. Never did, not even in my teen years. Also, according to the writings of forensic psychiatrists, sexual predators are attracted by certain types, not by dress codes.
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RE: Seeing a Woman: A conversation between father and son.
Yeah, I think as long you teach your children to value other people and their feelings, this isn't really going to be a necessary conversation to have unless your child asks you a question.

My parents never had that talk with me, and I figured it out. Then again, my parents never had any talk with me. I guess they just thought I'd figure everything out on my own.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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RE: Seeing a Woman: A conversation between father and son.
I agree with everyone else around here: That specific conversation doesn't really need to to happen unless it's brought up, or a valid reason to start it arises, if you bring your child up properly.
"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. For if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss also gazes unto you."
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RE: Seeing a Woman: A conversation between father and son.
Thanks for posting that article, CL.

It was excellent.
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RE: Seeing a Woman: A conversation between father and son.
Thanks, MTL.  Shy

As for the notion that this conversation doesn't need to happen... well, that would be ideal, I agree. But you never know, especially since there are a LOT of people who don't agree with these principles. Either way, I think open and honest communication between parents and their kids can never hurt. Just mho.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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