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RE: What do Christians Mean by "Restoe our Nation?"
February 2, 2016 at 6:03 pm
(February 2, 2016 at 6:01 pm)athrock Wrote:
(February 2, 2016 at 5:30 pm)GodCherry Wrote: Response to the things you posted:
I teach my children to respect all people, including adults, but I also teach them to question authority. I don't want my kids trusting completely in anyone. Some adults are dangerous.
There was never a time when adults waited for marriage to have sex and a lot of people are choosing not to get married at all these days because marriage doesn't work for everyone.
Divorce is a very good remedy for a bad marriage. I think the biggest tragedy was with women were forced to stay in bad, miserable and abusive marriages due to financial subservience.
Both of my female children get/got straight As. My eldest works now in a STEM field...my youngest will be going to university soon in a STEM field. They are highly proud of their accomplishments and their intelligence. I don't know any highly intelligent kid who isn't proud of getting good grades.
Modern music....some of its great...some of it isn't. Nothing has changed. I understand a lot of music on the radio...there are some very talented young people around.
I really enjoy the variety on TV. I don't want to watch the same thing as everyone else. I don't want to do anything the same as everyone else.
Bottom Line:
Your version of past reality doesn't address all reason that the past didn't work for a large majority of people. Namely women, minorities, homosexuals, other belief systems, etc.
You have a nostalgic view of a past that actually never really existed.
When members of my family remember "the past" they remember a time when my black father, who fought and died for his country in Vietnam, couldn't even get a hotel room with my mother...the woman he was married to....because she was white. He had to sleep in the car while he was on leave. My eldest brother still remembers when, after my father got killed, my mother tried to look for a home in a burb and the real estate agent told my brother (who was 6 at the time) that dark kids would never be living in that neighborhood.
I know older women who remember a time when women didn't have the power to exercise their most basic reproductive rights and had zero power to request fair pay for fair work.
I know older homosexuals who remember a time when they were persecuted just because they loved someone.
To me, your version of the past is fake and the reality is that it was a dark, dismal time for many people.
There's a lot of things that I don't like about the present but I would NEVER want to go back to where we were before. What it wish for is more progress towards treating everyone better...not a time when a certain group of people enjoyed privileges at the expense of others.
I cannot agree with some of what you wrote (abortion on demand is NOT healthcare), but most if not all of what I wrote could be desirable to anyone regardless of race, color, ethnic origin, religion, age, sex or sexual orientation.
I'm an equal opportunity poster.
Your opinion on other people's medical care doesn't matter....its private and only applicable to them.
There was no equal opportunity for my family during those times. Those were dark days.
RE: What do Christians Mean by "Restoe our Nation?"
February 2, 2016 at 6:13 pm
(February 2, 2016 at 3:53 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
(February 2, 2016 at 3:23 pm)Drich Wrote: I'm not sure about "restoe..."
But to Restore it is to put God back into how we govern ourselves. to restore it back to how our founding Fathers established it
Well fuck him and you!
In case you forgot, dickhead, the founding fathers wrote your fucking god out of the constitution.
that not true. The simply stated that congress could write no law that endorsed one religion over another. that does not mean it is forbidden for religious rights or acts be taken by members of the government.
RE: What do Christians Mean by "Restoe our Nation?"
February 2, 2016 at 6:15 pm
(February 2, 2016 at 3:54 pm)GodCherry Wrote:
(February 2, 2016 at 3:50 pm)Drich Wrote: You could always give it back... I'm sure the tribe who got the Island of Manhattan for a glass bead necklace would gladly trade back
I'm not the one trying to go back in time to revive exploitation. I'm also not trying to stifle other people's civil rights based on their religious beliefs, ethnicity, gender or sexual preferences.
your obviously not trying to right a wrong either.. It seems to me you want to look down your nose at the actions that put you on top in soceity, you are not willing to give up that position either by given back what was taken.
RE: What do Christians Mean by "Restoe our Nation?"
February 2, 2016 at 6:20 pm
(February 2, 2016 at 3:57 pm)Tiberius Wrote:
(February 2, 2016 at 3:23 pm)Drich Wrote: But to Restore it is to put God back into how we govern ourselves. to restore it back to how our founding Fathers established it
I'm intrigued how you can reconcile this view with the Constitution, which states:
"but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." (Article VI, Clause 3)
just because their wasn't a test of religion, did not forbad the practice of it in government buildings or held by governmental officials. (or even presidents) for that matter. (watch the video 8 mins long)
Quote:Additionally, the 1st Amendment states:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,
Which simply means we will never have "the church of the united states as their was/is a church of england.
Quote:or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"
This little bit here.. Also keeps people from telling government officials they can not exercise their religion even in an official capacity.
Quote:It seems, then, that the founding fathers made it quite explicit that "God" should not be involved in how we govern ourselves, but rather that public officials did not have to be religious, and that the government of the United States could not declare any official religion.
What makes you think otherwise?
If that were even remotly true then why is their so much history that shows religion specifically a generic form of Christianity being up held through out our nations history right up to the last 30 or 40 years?
RE: What do Christians Mean by "Restoe our Nation?"
February 2, 2016 at 6:32 pm
(February 2, 2016 at 4:49 pm)athrock Wrote: Oh, gee, I dunno...maybe they want to see our nation restored to when...
...kids said, "Yes, ma'am" and "Yes, sir" and showed respect to anyone over 21.
...drugs were something prescribed by a doctor.
...Coke was a soft drink that started in Atlanta and conquered the world.
...kids might sneak a drink of alcohol but not enough that their parents would notice.
...couples waited until they were married before they had sex.
...couples got married before living together.
...cars had fins and the AM radio was its most important part.
...you could gas up dad's car for a date at the hop for only a couple of dollars.
...gas stations washed your windshield and checked your fluids for just a couple of pennies more.
...becoming an Eagle Scout was something that got your name in the paper.
...making straight A's was something to be proud of instead of something to hide to avoid being ostracized.
...everyone who had a gun used it for hunting and not for protection.
...you didn't know anyone whose parents were divorced.
...you didn't mind being home by dark because all your friends had a curfew, too.
...you knew all your neighbors and offered to get the mail and the paper for them when they went on vacation.
...fishing with Grandpa meant hearing about "the Big One", but you didn't hear about HIS medals until after he died because he never mentioned them.
...a covered dish supper at the church was something everyone looked forward to.
...you could listen to the hottest new music on your radio with your grandmother in the car and not get embarrassed by the lyrics.
...you could actually understand all the words of all the songs.
...the best bands all had "and his orchestra" in their name.
...someone could talk about "Our Gang" and they meant Alfalfa, Spanky and Buckwheat and not the Bloods or the Crips.
...there wasn't anything nostalgic about a Norman Rockwell painting because your hometown and everyone you knew looked just like that.
...you knew what your friends were watching on TV because everyone home was watching the same show.
...the Tonight Show had guests like Frank, Dean, and Sammy and you didn't need to wonder what their last names were.
...you knew the answer to the question, "Hey kids, what time is it?"
Sounds to me like you want to go back to the times back when women didn't have any rights, and men were in charge.
"Couples didn't have sex before marriage!" What the fuck does it matter to you? Seriously. Fuck off. It's not of your goddamn business what consenting adults do, married or not. We don't need any fucking morality police.
"Couples got married before living together!" Again. What the fuck does this matter to you? It makes no god damn sense. Oh no, a boyfriend and girlfriend are living together. Oh the humanity!
Divorce? Yeah, women should absolutely have to stay with abusive husbands. Husbands should have to stay with their abusive wives. More dumb shit that doesn't really have a god damn thing to do with you. Don't like divorce? Don't get one!
Not everyone looked forward to it, because not everyone went to church. You can still go to church if you like. There's absolutely nothing stopping you.
If you're embarrassed by the lyrics of music, then you're embarrassed pretty goddamn easily.
People could NEVER understand all the words to music. That's why we have misheard lyrics dating back a long fucking way.
Sounds like quite the fucking boring world you have in mind. Thankfully we'll never move backwards the way some people want us to. You want everyone to follow your values. Well fuck that, and fuck you.
RE: What do Christians Mean by "Restoe our Nation?"
February 2, 2016 at 6:37 pm
(February 2, 2016 at 4:49 pm)athrock Wrote:
(February 2, 2016 at 3:19 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: I heard a Christian man prying over lunch. I didn’t hear everything he said, but he started asking god about stuff that had little to do with food. I made out something about “Lord help them restore this great nation.” I missed who “them” is.
It struck me as odd because it sounds like the same thing the tea baggers say when they talk about taking the nation back. Take it back from where? Restore it from what to wheat?
I know they’re not talking about police brutality, fascism, political corruption, poverty, social inequality or capital graft. They never had a problem with these things before.
So what are they talking about?
Oh, gee, I dunno...maybe they want to see our nation restored to when...
...kids said, "Yes, ma'am" and "Yes, sir" and showed respect to anyone over 21.
...drugs were something prescribed by a doctor.
Quote:...Coke was a soft drink that started in Atlanta and conquered the world.
...kids might sneak a drink of alcohol but not enough that their parents would notice.
...couples waited until they were married before they had sex.
...couples got married before living together.
...cars had fins and the AM radio was its most important part.
...you could gas up dad's car for a date at the hop for only a couple of dollars.
...gas stations washed your windshield and checked your fluids for just a couple of pennies more.
...becoming an Eagle Scout was something that got your name in the paper.
...making straight A's was something to be proud of instead of something to hide to avoid being ostracized.
...everyone who had a gun used it for hunting and not for protection.
...you didn't know anyone whose parents were divorced.
...you didn't mind being home by dark because all your friends had a curfew, too.
...you knew all your neighbors and offered to get the mail and the paper for them when they went on vacation.
...fishing with Grandpa meant hearing about "the Big One", but you didn't hear about HIS medals until after he died because he never mentioned them.
...a covered dish supper at the church was something everyone looked forward to.
...you could listen to the hottest new music on your radio with your grandmother in the car and not get embarrassed by the lyrics.
...you could actually understand all the words of all the songs.
...the best bands all had "and his orchestra" in their name.
...someone could talk about "Our Gang" and they meant Alfalfa, Spanky and Buckwheat and not the Bloods or the Crips.
...there wasn't anything nostalgic about a Norman Rockwell painting because your hometown and everyone you knew looked just like that.
...you knew what your friends were watching on TV because everyone home was watching the same show.
...the Tonight Show had guests like Frank, Dean, and Sammy and you didn't need to wonder what their last names were.
...you knew the answer to the question, "Hey kids, what time is it?"
Oh yes, the good old days when Coke had real cocaine as one of its major ingredients.
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