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There is no argument for the existence of "God"
March 14, 2016 at 7:53 pm
(March 14, 2016 at 7:14 pm)SteveII Wrote: (March 14, 2016 at 6:55 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: If 90% of the world believed in leprechauns, that wouldn't make leprechauns real.
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I'm am pointing out that despite quite a bit of time (150 years since Darwin), it does not seem your arguments are sufficient to even slow the growth of religion.
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RE: There is no argument for the existence of "God"
March 14, 2016 at 7:54 pm
(March 14, 2016 at 7:51 pm)Kitan Wrote: (March 14, 2016 at 7:14 pm)SteveII Wrote: I'm am pointing out that despite quite a bit of time (150 years since Darwin), it does not seem your arguments are sufficient to even slow the growth of religion.
Religion defeats itself. That is how it has always worked.
Religion becomes mythology with the evolution of society and time.
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RE: There is no argument for the existence of "God"
March 14, 2016 at 9:56 pm
(March 14, 2016 at 6:15 pm)SteveII Wrote: (March 14, 2016 at 6:13 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: I read the link and came to a different conclusion. I now have to question either your abilities to read or think.
This says you're wrong.
http://www.pewforum.org/2015/05/12/ameri...landscape/
I read that article several times. Reduction is due to losses in Catholics and mainline protestant churches. Evangelicals stayed the same. Try this one for a global perspective:
http://www.pewforum.org/2015/04/02/relig...2010-2050/
OK, 31% and 31%. No change. Congratulations, you picked one thing one one page (4) of a 13 page report. Did you read any of the other pages? Did you read any of the population data? The reproduction data? The migration data? Nope. Just cherry picked.
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RE: There is no argument for the existence of "God"
March 15, 2016 at 3:58 am
(This post was last modified: March 15, 2016 at 3:59 am by robvalue.)
I thought it was more like 70% of the world "believes in God".
The thing is, they don't all believe in the same thing. There are as many versions of God as there are theists. You just all use the same word. Theists can disagree so violently as to want to kill each other over the difference. Yet once an atheist turns up, they all band together.
Anyhow, to suggest that those people are right is the appeal to popularity fallacy. Will God die when it reaches 49%?
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RE: There is no argument for the existence of "God"
March 15, 2016 at 4:28 am
(March 14, 2016 at 7:14 pm)SteveII Wrote: (March 14, 2016 at 6:55 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: If 90% of the world believed in leprechauns, that wouldn't make leprechauns real.
'Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to change.' - Mark Twain
Boru
I'm am pointing out that despite quite a bit of time (150 years since Darwin), it does not seem your arguments are sufficient to even slow the growth of religion.
It does were people are actually exposed to the arguments. that is why the anti education movement is growing in ultra religious countries such as the USA, where learning is widespread and of a good standard religion falters.
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RE: There is no argument for the existence of "God"
March 15, 2016 at 4:33 am
(This post was last modified: March 15, 2016 at 4:33 am by robvalue.)
We don't need to present arguments. We're not claiming anything.
We can't help it if people make flawed arguments and other people believe them. We point out the flaws, but people don't believe in religions because of those arguments. They are rationalizations. They believe, mostly, because they've been indoctrinated. Or else they've had an unusual life experience and have concluded it happens to have been caused of the most convenient local God. The one they've spent they're life surrounded by, even if they weren't indoctrinated.
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RE: There is no argument for the existence of "God"
March 15, 2016 at 4:47 am
(March 15, 2016 at 4:33 am)robvalue Wrote: We don't need to present arguments. We're not claiming anything.
We can't help it if people make flawed arguments and other people believe them. We point out the flaws, but people don't believe in religions because of those arguments. They are rationalizations. They believe, mostly, because they've been indoctrinated. Or else they've had an unusual life experience and have concluded it happens to have been caused of the most convenient local God. The one they've spent they're life surrounded by, even if they weren't indoctrinated.
By "arguments" I was thinking of evolutionary theory and other science that contradicts the bible not arguments par se.
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RE: There is no argument for the existence of "God"
March 15, 2016 at 5:10 am
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Ah, I see. I got the wrong end of the stick, sorry! I was just replying to what Steve said in one of his messages.
You're right, there are convincing arguments that contradict simplistic religious narratives. When the theists are prepared to bend their view around science and just say "God did science" then they can ignore these arguments too. Sort of. They still have to pretend evolution is a guided process, which means they don't really understand it.
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RE: There is no argument for the existence of "God"
March 15, 2016 at 8:50 am
(March 15, 2016 at 4:47 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: (March 15, 2016 at 4:33 am)robvalue Wrote: We don't need to present arguments. We're not claiming anything.
We can't help it if people make flawed arguments and other people believe them. We point out the flaws, but people don't believe in religions because of those arguments. They are rationalizations. They believe, mostly, because they've been indoctrinated. Or else they've had an unusual life experience and have concluded it happens to have been caused of the most convenient local God. The one they've spent they're life surrounded by, even if they weren't indoctrinated.
By "arguments" I was thinking of evolutionary theory and other science that contradicts the bible not arguments par se. Evolution doesn't really contradict a singular initial creative force.
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