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Sexism and Violence exist in ALL religions....
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Sexism and Violence exist in ALL religions....
There are most certainly empathetic humans all over the world that hate those things as much as I do.

That still DOES NOT change that for every UMBRELLA label, every religion has it's sub sects that interpret the umbrella label and religious traditions that have sexist male conservatives. There are sexist right wingers and and right wing "defenders" depending on the sect and geography, but EVERY religion you can think of has these pockets, to greater or lesser degrees.

Sexism in Buddhism

https://vimeo.com/131814486

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Buddhism

article Wrote:According to Ajahn Sujato, the early texts state that the most severe of the garudhammas, which states that every nun must bow to every monk, was instituted by the Buddha because of the customs of the time, and modern scholars doubt that the rule even goes back to the Buddha at all. Furthermore, an identical rule is found in Jainism.

According to Diana Paul, the traditional view of women in Early Buddhism is that they are inferior.

Again, this is NOT an attack on human rights, this is an explanation of ANTIQUITY, in all of the world.

Humans were ignorant of evolutionary biology, and while not only mistaking fortune as coming from a divine world, males had no clue that both sexes contributed to the linage of the family so religion as a gap fill answer was dominated by patriarchal themes. 

It still remains today that there has never been a Female Dali Lama in the same way there has never been a female Pope. Regardless of any liberal interpretations coming from those within those religions. And the same can be said of the bulk of power in all religions worldwide.

Hindus don't escape their sexist roots either.

http://hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/h_women.asp

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bbd_1408371856

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Hinduism

Once again, while you do have progressive Hindus there are also justifications in their traditions as well for sexism. In some interpretations, it is the woman's job to please her husband and family first, her needs are secondary.

article Wrote: The duties of women are again recited in Chapter 146, as a conversation between god Shiva and his wife goddess Uma, where Shiva asks what are the duties of women. Uma (Parvati) proceeds to meet all the rivers, who are all goddesses that nourish and create fertile valleys.[28] Uma suggests that the duties of women include being of a good disposition, endued with sweet speech, sweet conduct, and sweet features. For a woman, claims Uma, her husband is her god, her husband is her friend, and her husband is her high refuge. A woman's duties include physical and emotional nourishment, reverence and fulfillment of her husband and her children. Their happiness is her happiness, she observes the same vows as those that are observed by her husband, her duty is to be cheerful even when her husband or her children are angry, be there for them in adversity or sickness, is regarded as truly righteous in her conduct.[28] Beyond her husband and family, her duty is to be cheerful of heart and humble with friends and relatives, do the best she can for friends and guests. Her family life and her home is her heaven, tells goddess Parvati to Shiva


Who said "Well behaved women seldom make history?"

Ok Jews, your turn.

http://thedailybanter.com/2014/12/time-arrest-ultra-orthodox-jews-delay-flights-seating/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/sexism-and-the-state-of-israel-6287448.html

Muslims hate to say this but currently at this point in history, while there are certainly liberals and moderates morso in the west, the Islamic States are still the worst offenders. And this IS where it comes from.

http://thefatalfeminist.com/2011/05/23/hadith/

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/women/long.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia#Women


And yes there is the "good book" as well the Holy bible.

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/women/long.html

And again, you can find today very liberal and accepting women, even liberal churches that have females in the pulpit now. But in mass worldwide again, that is not anywhere near equal.

And still today you have right wingers STILL insisting on gender rolls and STILL denying equal pay to women, and STILL trying to control the reproductive rights of women.

NOW again, this is not a call to use force to end any religion, but a call to HUMANITY to understand the context and roots of inequality, in that those traditions were written in very ignorant times. And for all the liberal humans female and males of ALL religions, yes, I think it is fantastic that you don't buy that sexist garbage. BUT it still remains that every umbrella label has sub sets that take the same religion and use the same texts and focus on different words in them that DO  justify sexism. There simply is NO polite way to put it.

The next post will be links to the history of religious violence by all the worlds major religions.
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RE: Sexism and Violence exist in ALL religions....
Ok now here are samples of religiously justified violence of all the world's major religions.

I started with sexism in Buddhism, so in the interest in coin flipping, this post will start with what I deal with the most, Christianity.

Dark Ages, Spanish Inquisition, Crusades, Witch Hunts, KKK, Nazi Germany "Gott Mit Uns"......ect ect ect ect.

Now again, I love my well intended liberals, but stop ignoring that where you get your justifications for compassion and kindness is STILL the same umbrella label label those above use to justify cruelty.

Even in the NT, the Jesus character says he doesn't bring peace, but a sword. And he also tells you to abandon family and friends, anyone who does not accept him.

Here are a slew of verses throughout the book, where the God character commits acts of cruelty or commissions his followers to do them. 

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html

Jews, your turn.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_violence

Under the sub section "Retribution And Punishment"

article Wrote:While the Bible and the  specify many violent punishments, including death by stoning, decapitation, burning, and strangulation for some crimes,

Notice the word "While" nice caveat. Which means "yes it does say that but", when the real issue is that it is STILL THERE regardless. Thus, no matter that many don't do that, it is still there for others to justify lots of cruelty.

And there is this quote.

article Wrote:The , one of the books of the Jewish Bible, is a story of palace intrigue centered on a plot to kill all Jews which was thwarted by Esther, a Jewish queen of Persia. Instead of being victims, the Jews killed "all the people who wanted to kill them.


Sounds like the same preemptive attitude sickos like Ann Cunthead has about the East, "We should invade their countries and force them to convert". And again, while I love liberals including liberal Jews, it is also why I hate Netenyahu, whom to me is just a Jewish Dick Cheney.

Buddhists your turn, "religion of peace", meh, maybe currently less violent but no, even you have your divisions, and Japanese and Chinese and Tibet Buddhists don't get along.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Muslims_in_Myanmar

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_violence

Hindus, nope, you are fair game too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_violence_in_India

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/30/hindu-mob-kills-muslim-man-eating-beef

What is the point of this you ask? Not all do that, most don't you argue? Not the point. The point is that every religion has its transgressions and every religion has it's empathetic humans who DO value compassion and non violence. Well if religion was a cure, any one of them, then why do bad things happen everywhere? Because religion is NOT the answer, humans are. Now while you cannot rid the world of religion, we certainly CAN as a species try to consider more that our morality and desire to live in peace and non violence is EVOLUTIONARY and not coming from ancient religions. 

We need to treat our fellow humans as individuals first. We need to understand that our morals are in us. And liberals especially, because the right wing nuts in all religions wont listen, but you can. You need to accept that there are other sub sects under your same label, that DO use their religions and writing as excuses for all sorts of cruelty and tribalism.
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RE: Sexism and Violence exist in ALL religions....
SORRY that some of the links are not blue, not sure why that happened, but you should be able to copy and past them into your browsers.
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RE: Sexism and Violence exist in ALL religions....
it exists everywhere.
anti-logical Fallacies of Ambiguity
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RE: Sexism and Violence exist in ALL religions....
I think it might be more accurate to say that sexism and violence exist in all cultures. While religion doesn't do a helluva lot to curb sexism and violence, these behaviours don't seem to be unique to religious belief.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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RE: Sexism and Violence exist in ALL religions....
(March 19, 2016 at 8:14 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I think it might be more accurate to say that sexism and violence exist in all cultures.  While religion doesn't do a helluva lot to curb sexism and violence, these behaviours don't seem to be unique to religious belief.

Boru

No, see that is what religion hides behind. It isn't that you are wrong, it is that you are ignoring that words like "culture", "ethnic", "race", "nationality" are all the excuses religions use to stop criticism of religion. 

Humans ARE picking up their holy writings and using them to justify these things. If you want people to understand that what you are saying, take away those excuses so that humans can see it as an evolutionary behavior. 

When you merely tell a Hindu that they have no evidence that their gods or writings are anymore real or valid than any other, and get called a racist, even when you point out atheist groups founded by former Hindus still living in India, it is clear that "racist" is the word they hid behind to avoid scrutiny to their claims. But this is what ALL religions do. 

No it is NOT unique to an religion, and that is because religion has no magic powers at all. No label, not even "atheist" will magically make someone do good or bad. But when people hide behind those words, it creates conditions that set up walls to avoid criticism of bad ideas.

Your good intent isn't the issue, I am simply saying that the outcome is not producing what we really want. It has the opposite affect of what you intend. It keeps up walls and keeps humans divided. 

Our species behavior, both good and bad, is evolutionary. It does no good to allow religion to hide behind words like "culture" and "race" and "nationality", much less religion itself. And again, it isn't even about forced end of religion, but better logic to reduce human divisions.
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RE: Sexism and Violence exist in ALL religions....
If you want humans to understand that we are are the same species, then don't let them hide behind labels as a dodge.
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