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Hacking Christianity
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Hacking Christianity
Maybe this has been discussed before. If not:

Assume Christianity is true, and you believe it. A soul is permanently created when a sperm meets an egg. That soul will have eternal life one way or another, in heaven or hell. Going to hell is bad. Going to heaven is good. If a person dies in their childhood before they have a chance to knowingly do wrong, they go to heaven. You probably see where this is going.

Now, if it were me, I'd actually want to have died in childhood. Then I would be in heaven right now. The way things actually are, I don't know if I am going to heaven. I might go to hell. And certainly some people I know will go to hell. It seems entirely preferable, given this system, that we do some slightly counterintuitive things. Namely, abort as many babies as possible.

The possibilities are nearly limitless. To merely encourage women to have more abortions is only a start. An entire industrial complex could be set up. Harvest female eggs, inseminate them, and kill them immediately. This could be done by the trillion per day. It could even be fully automated to remove human responsibility. Girls are born with all the eggs they will ever produce. Some portion of them will be allowed to grow to that point, their eggs will be harvested, then they will be killed by machines. In this manner heaven will be populated with quadrillions of souls in a relatively short amount of time.

That's an extraordinarily good outcome. I mean, it has been a very hard thing to make this world a remotely pleasant, civilized place. Here, using a pinch of intelligence, we have a better shortcut than we ever could have asked for. It's really not so much about intelligence. If you actually believe this stuff, it's more about just getting over the habit of following your instincts and living a normal human life. But it is sure that doing so only puts people at risk of going to hell. If we can just follow our beliefs to the letter, we get an outcome that is outrageously superior. This is actually the rational thing to do given such beliefs.

Hopefully we would invent AI as soon as possible an program them to maximize human abortions, which they would then do with exponentially improving efficiency until the heat death of the universe, and maybe they'd even figure out how to prevent that. I've read some ideas. Heaven would be filled with googolplexes upon googolplexes of souls living in the highest bliss. Hell would have a comparatively tiny number of souls, and the devil would be pulling his hair out. Lastly, for those who committed the sin of performing the abortions, they could repent before they died. Even if that weren't an option, which I have no reason to believe it wouldn't be, they still would have achieved ratios of billions to one in terms of souls that went to heaven or hell. It would be a truly selfless sacrifice for them to have made.

System = beat.
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RE: Hacking Christianity
Or I could just go to hell, overthrow the devil, and rule for all eternity.
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Indeed. You've come to much the same conclusion I did when I made this topic.

This kind of thing highlights glaring inconsistencies in many people's belief systems.
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RE: Hacking Christianity
(March 22, 2016 at 11:38 am)Kitan Wrote: Or I could just go to hell, overthrow the devil, and rule for all eternity.


Yes kitan for new ruler of hell.
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Do you/your soul age in your version of heaven? If not that's gonna be a pretty fucked up place. Populated by a majority of anything from zygotes to half formed humans for the most part.

It's estimated that 40%and maybe up to 65% of fertilized eggs never implant. So they are there without the abortion. A whole shit load of them over the last 6000 years. As for abortion, after having the kids they want implant IUD's or give abortifactants. Don't let the zygote ever have a chance to implant. Less stress on the women, no need for abort AI.
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I think they would certainly age a bit in heaven. You can't just have zygotes enjoying eternal bliss. Nonetheless, the soul does enter at the moment of conception. Probably they get raised by angels or some shit. I'm sure something can be worked out.
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RE: Hacking Christianity
(March 22, 2016 at 1:20 pm)dyresand Wrote:
(March 22, 2016 at 11:38 am)Kitan Wrote: Or I could just go to hell, overthrow the devil, and rule for all eternity.


Yes kitan for new ruler of hell.

Meh, I still think we should have given Black Mage more time.
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RE: Hacking Christianity
(March 22, 2016 at 11:13 am)Amine Wrote: Maybe this has been discussed before. If not:

Assume Christianity is true, and you believe it. A soul is permanently created when a sperm meets an egg. That soul will have eternal life one way or another, in heaven or hell. Going to hell is bad. Going to heaven is good. If a person dies in their childhood before they have a chance to knowingly do wrong, they go to heaven. You probably see where this is going.

Now, if it were me, I'd actually want to have died in childhood. Then I would be in heaven right now. The way things actually are, I don't know if I am going to heaven. I might go to hell. And certainly some people I know will go to hell. It seems entirely preferable, given this system, that we do some slightly counterintuitive things. Namely, abort as many babies as possible.

The possibilities are nearly limitless. To merely encourage women to have more abortions is only a start. An entire industrial complex could be set up. Harvest female eggs, inseminate them, and kill them immediately. This could be done by the trillion per day. It could even be fully automated to remove human responsibility. Girls are born with all the eggs they will ever produce. Some portion of them will be allowed to grow to that point, their eggs will be harvested, then they will be killed by machines. In this manner heaven will be populated with quadrillions of souls in a relatively short amount of time.

That's an extraordinarily good outcome. I mean, it has been a very hard thing to make this world a remotely pleasant, civilized place. Here, using a pinch of intelligence, we have a better shortcut than we ever could have asked for. It's really not so much about intelligence. If you actually believe this stuff, it's more about just getting over the habit of following your instincts and living a normal human life. But it is sure that doing so only puts people at risk of going to hell. If we can just follow our beliefs to the letter, we get an outcome that is outrageously superior. This is actually the rational thing to do given such beliefs.

Hopefully we would invent AI as soon as possible an program them to maximize human abortions, which they would then do with exponentially improving efficiency until the heat death of the universe, and maybe they'd even figure out how to prevent that. I've read some ideas. Heaven would be filled with googolplexes upon googolplexes of souls living in the highest bliss. Hell would have a comparatively tiny number of souls, and the devil would be pulling his hair out. Lastly, for those who committed the sin of performing the abortions, they could repent before they died. Even if that weren't an option, which I have no reason to believe it wouldn't be, they still would have achieved ratios of billions to one in terms of souls that went to heaven or hell. It would be a truly selfless sacrifice for them to have made.

System = beat.

What if... This life had a greater purpose than just to 'create' a soul. What if this life is a proving ground for a soul, and if one's life is cut short then the soul simply gets plugged into another host/new born.

that would mean your hack failed because a incomplete understanding of basic theology.
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RE: Hacking Christianity
(March 23, 2016 at 8:47 am)Drich Wrote: What if... This life had a greater purpose than just to 'create' a soul. What if this life is a proving ground for a soul, and if one's life is cut short then the soul simply gets plugged into another host/new born.

that would mean your hack failed because a incomplete understanding of basic theology.

Where in basic theology does it tell us that lives that are cut short get plugged into new hosts?

If it were true, which I have no reason to believe, it would certainly be a bummer. This idea that life is a test reminds me of the Saw movies. I'd rather never have been born than be put up to some demented test where failure means eternal torment.
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RE: Hacking Christianity
(March 23, 2016 at 8:47 am)Drich Wrote: What if... This life had a greater purpose than just to 'create' a soul. What if this life is a proving ground for a soul, and if one's life is cut short then the soul simply gets plugged into another host/new born.

that would mean your hack failed because a incomplete understanding of basic theology.
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Woah nellie. Hindu reincarnation?

Theist explanation for schizophrenia or multiple personality disorder?

If deaths exceed births world wide. Gonna get cramped in there. How many souls can the human body hold?
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