Ends of times prophecy that I can't shake

[RozKek]

Pretty sure people that are 4000 years in the future would pretty much know enough about us just saying. 
Like we know and have records from back then during the time the bible was written. But end of times prophecies
are just bullshit.

I've asked you like 10 times are you like a high school kid, or is english a second language to you? I ask because your answer seems to miss the point I was making completely. I don't know if I should kick you in the teeth for being stupid or try and explain what the word prophesy means and how it is a prediction made in the past about the future, and not the other way around.

Maybe you should spell prophecy correctly before trying to explain it.

[FebruaryOfReason]

Pretty sure people that are 4000 years in the future would pretty much know enough about us just saying. 
Like we know and have records from back then during the time the bible was written. But end of times prophecies
are just bullshit.

I've asked you like 10 times are you like a high school kid, or is english a second language to you? I ask because your answer seems to miss the point I was making completely. I don't know if I should kick you in the teeth for being stupid or try and explain what the word prophesy means and how it is a prediction made in the past about the future, and not the other way around.

You can't kick dyresand in the teeth. He isn't in the same place as you.

Your own map of the Roman Empire shows that it covered significant areas that are not in the EU (already listed by other posters) and did not cover significant areas (North Eastern Europe) that are in the EU.

Geography and physics appear to be second languages to you.

[Nay_Sayer]

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**sorry this was longer than intended. Its not an argument to prove anything. Just some stuff rolling around in my head**

I ponder over some of the end of times prophecies. As a JW we didn't believe in the Rapture or that this earth will be destroyed but rather that we would eventually possess the earth ultimately after this "worlds system" is destroyed. I have already have discussed how global warming is something I view as bringing a demise onto humans, god or no god. Also, there is a prophecy in Revelation that alludes to religion being ultimately destroyed by the worlds governments. Maybe, I don't buy that religion will be destroyed by the governments but you can see a growing discord and resentment that could easily turn to anger and rage.

Those are not the main things I want to talk about. If you have any comments on them I'd love it! The bible prophecy I am hoping to get feedback on is found in Daniel 2. As I am sure you all know   , it speaks of a vast human statue made of different metals and materials that was seen in a dream by Nebuchadnezzar. Basically, it represents kingdoms of the earth. And at the end, a stone is cut from a mountain and hits the statue at its feet and destroys it. The scripture that I have thought a lot about is the make up of those feet and what they represent. This is what the verse says, 42  And as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of clay, so the kingdom will be partly strong and partly fragile. 43  Just as you saw iron mixed with soft clay, they will be mixed with the people; but they will not stick together, one to the other, just as iron does not mix with clay. (JW's teach that the feet represent the US)

As I have been transitioning to atheism I have been getting more politically involved. What I have been seeing is how the system is becoming more and more broken. You just look at what is going on in the US right now. The 2 main parties have never been more at odds. But you're also seeing a rise in fringe candidates like Trump. But many commenters have pointed out how these supporters are usually low-information voters. Meaning, they have just as much voting power as anyone, but they aren't well informed. Those verses resonate with me for a number of reasons. The US is still the strongest nation in the world. But it is also very fragile. Our economy was almost decimated by an ardent desire to refuse to pay National debts, the middle class is disappearing, and the threat of climate change could cause trillions of dollars of damage. But what are people most concerned with? Planned parenthood. Gun rights. Those damn illegals taking our tomato picking jobs! (sarcasm intended) Democracy seems like the greatest form of government, but its weaknesses are showing through now. Even the founders of the US intended on a very select voting class. Doesn't it seem like the rise of the internet has created a rush of knowledge and information, But the levees have broken and the misinformation and duplicity has become more rampant? I know this doesn't prove anything. The statue in that account represents human rulership. And up to that point in history, human rulership would have been dominated by powerful kings and generals. So, when I read at the end about the rulership being mixed with the people, or the common people as some translations put it, it strongly resonates with me. Anyway, thoughts?

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 If you are losing your faith through the JW's  then why not look at another denomination and find out what they have to say even about the end times. The JW's have altered the Bible they use that would make me wonder what they are trying to hide, just saying.

GC

OP stay far away from GC's shitbaggery. I can tell you it's the wrong religion.

[Nay_Sayer]

So now, in one brief sentence you have demonstrated that you know fuckall about the Roman Empire, too.

Keep digging, dripshit.  Your stupidity knows no bounds.

http://www.roman-empire.net/maps/empire/...tions.html

I love it when stupid people make stupid claims, that a third source can quickly settle.

It would explain your narcissism

[Redbeard The Pink]

Could we get a prophecy that isn't in some kind of weird code language? If a "prophecy" has to be interpreted because all its events and  elements are symbols for other things, then it seems to me that almost any event could be reverse-engineered to fit the vague ramblings of one ancient text or another.

lol... So if you were fast forwarded in time 4000 years and brought back you'd be able accurately describe the events going on, in a foreign language using words that have not even been coined in the time you wrote them down? Or would you struggle to describe what you saw by taking things familiar to you and added to them to paint an accurate picture in your own language?

Now to someone 4000 years in the future who does not know your language nor customs or even some of the things you described, would then your words not themselves have to be interpreted?

Regardless of how you justify what you're doing, it doesn't change the fact that you're doing it. If a prophecy can be interpreted multiple different ways in different time frames by different readers, then it's basically useless. To be demonstrably correct or incorrect, a prophecy must refer to a specific event (at minimum). Otherwise you're just doing retro-active guesswork, which is basically meaningless. I could do the same sort of force-fitting to make it look like Mother Goose prophesied the JFK assassination, if I really wanted to get creative. This is the same kind of garbage Muslims bring me when they try to say that the Koran references the Big Bang.

[Won2blv]

Anyway, thoughts?

Maybe it would be interesting to you to read some historical accounts - there were many times in the past when people had the uncanny feeling that they were quickly steering towards the End Times. Jesus (or rather, the authors behind the literary figure) thought it was going to be over any day now. During the plagues and wars of the 1600s, there was a widespread belief that the end times were near, and they had real problems, with people dying in droves left and right.

I hear you, but I still look at these days differently. Today, humans have the ability to blow up the whole earth, human caused climate change could cause an extinction of humans, human polluting is going to cause massive animal extinctions, and so on. Sure, people have always predicted the end of the world. Now just seems to be more realistic. But min could be right, it could just be a coincidence

[Won2blv]

In truth the European Union pretty well follows the same Land span Rome held in europe.

So now, in one brief sentence you have demonstrated that you know fuckall about the Roman Empire, too.

Keep digging, dripshit.  Your stupidity knows no bounds.

Just curious, are you as sweet in person?

[Minimalist]

So now, in one brief sentence you have demonstrated that you know fuckall about the Roman Empire, too.

Keep digging, dripshit.  Your stupidity knows no bounds.

http://www.roman-empire.net/maps/empire/...tions.html

I love it when stupid people make stupid claims, that a third source can quickly settle.

The EU includes Ireland, Scotland, Germany, Sweden, Finland,  Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia, Poland, The Czech Republic, Slovakia and Denmark...none of which were part of the Roman Empire you dumb stupid fuck.

The EU also does not include Switzerland, Bosnia, Serbia, Croatia, Kosovo, Montenegro, Albania and Macedonia all of which WERE part of Roman conquests in Europe.

Don't go away mad, dripshit.  Just take your silly-assed god, your fucking piece of shit bible and your low double-digit IQ and go.

[Jenny A]

**sorry this was longer than intended. Its not an argument to prove anything. Just some stuff rolling around in my head**

I ponder over some of the end of times prophecies. As a JW we didn't believe in the Rapture or that this earth will be destroyed but rather that we would eventually possess the earth ultimately after this "worlds system" is destroyed. I have already have discussed how global warming is something I view as bringing a demise onto humans, god or no god. Also, there is a prophecy in Revelation that alludes to religion being ultimately destroyed by the worlds governments. Maybe, I don't buy that religion will be destroyed by the governments but you can see a growing discord and resentment that could easily turn to anger and rage.

Those are not the main things I want to talk about. If you have any comments on them I'd love it! The bible prophecy I am hoping to get feedback on is found in Daniel 2. As I am sure you all know   , it speaks of a vast human statue made of different metals and materials that was seen in a dream by Nebuchadnezzar. Basically, it represents kingdoms of the earth. And at the end, a stone is cut from a mountain and hits the statue at its feet and destroys it. The scripture that I have thought a lot about is the make up of those feet and what they represent. This is what the verse says, 42  And as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of clay, so the kingdom will be partly strong and partly fragile. 43  Just as you saw iron mixed with soft clay, they will be mixed with the people; but they will not stick together, one to the other, just as iron does not mix with clay. (JW's teach that the feet represent the US)

As I have been transitioning to atheism I have been getting more politically involved. What I have been seeing is how the system is becoming more and more broken. You just look at what is going on in the US right now. The 2 main parties have never been more at odds. But you're also seeing a rise in fringe candidates like Trump. But many commenters have pointed out how these supporters are usually low-information voters. Meaning, they have just as much voting power as anyone, but they aren't well informed. Those verses resonate with me for a number of reasons. The US is still the strongest nation in the world. But it is also very fragile. Our economy was almost decimated by an ardent desire to refuse to pay National debts, the middle class is disappearing, and the threat of climate change could cause trillions of dollars of damage. But what are people most concerned with? Planned parenthood. Gun rights. Those damn illegals taking our tomato picking jobs! (sarcasm intended) Democracy seems like the greatest form of government, but its weaknesses are showing through now. Even the founders of the US intended on a very select voting class. Doesn't it seem like the rise of the internet has created a rush of knowledge and information, But the levees have broken and the misinformation and duplicity has become more rampant? I know this doesn't prove anything. The statue in that account represents human rulership. And up to that point in history, human rulership would have been dominated by powerful kings and generals. So, when I read at the end about the rulership being mixed with the people, or the common people as some translations put it, it strongly resonates with me. Anyway, thoughts?

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Fun!!

The Statue in Daniel 2 is something I have studied with some really smart guys in the past. Here is what they said it means:
The Head of Gold repersented Neb's empire. It was the pinnacle/most perfect world dominating empire (for various reasons) The meads and persions, followed the Babylonian empire,(silver) then the Greeks were the bronze portion and the Romans could only be 'Iron.' Now the mix of Iron and clay represents an rome like empire, but (the clay) meaning weak and or unstable.

In truth the European Union pretty well follows the same Land span Rome held in europe. The 'foot print is close to being the same, and no one can say that the EU is as stable as Rome was.

The rock hurled at the feet of this statue repersents some sort of disaster that will completly obliterate Man's last empire.

Like you pointed out the end times will have banished all religion. I think this is going to be an mix of disinterested/luke warm followers and the extremeist. In that if you will not accept a luke warm version of your religion of choice you will be deemed radical and 'punished.'

That makes the whole mark of the beast thing more plausible. Accept this weak doctrine, get a hand stamp and you can do business/have a job. If not you starve.

That's a complex form of stupidity,  not smarts.

[Jenny A]

Maybe it would be interesting to you to read some historical accounts - there were many times in the past when people had the uncanny feeling that they were quickly steering towards the End Times. Jesus (or rather, the authors behind the literary figure) thought it was going to be over any day now. During the plagues and wars of the 1600s, there was a widespread belief that the end times were near, and they had real problems, with people dying in droves left and right.

I hear you, but I still look at these days differently. Today, humans have the ability to blow up the whole earth, human caused climate change could cause an extinction of humans, human polluting is going to cause massive animal extinctions, and so on. Sure, people have always predicted the end of the world. Now just seems to be more realistic. But min could be right, it could just be a coincidence

Coincidence is the wrong word.  The earth will end some day and humanity will too.  Nothing in the Bible will help you figure out when. Nuclear bombs might spell the end, but you hardly need Revolutions to tell you that.