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Islam in Europe: perception and reality
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Islam in Europe: perception and reality
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Quote:Europeans regard Islam as more threatening to their national cultures than other faiths (or indeed atheism), according to a 2013 poll by the Bertelsmann Foundation, a non-profit organisation in Germany. Many across the continent see Islam as incompatible with the West. Yet perceptions can easily run ahead of reality. European publics wildly overestimate the proportion of their populations that is Muslim: an Ipsos-Mori poll in 2014 found that on average Belgian respondents thought 29% of their compatriots were Muslim. The actual figure is closer to 6%.
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RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality
so only 6% are muslims and can do all that damage and show the true colour of their culture....,and they're still thinking about allowing more of these scums into europe ?!!
let's see what happens when it's 20% and they take over more neighbourhoods.
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So what can the west do?
How do you decide who are the peaceful ones and who are the potential terrorists?

I don't think one can.
Only a multi generational change of thinking may accomplish that.
And by the time that happens, you'll find the women are magically not wearing their stupid slave clothes either.
These are the same women who demand we not dictate to them what they can and can't wear. Go figure.
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RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality
Interesting.

I agree ignor, blanket policies regarding Muslims will only make things worse. It's also impossible to properly enforce, since someone only need lie about being a Muslim to legally not be one temporarily.

We need to try and encourage proper integration from both sides. Strict adherence to divisive religious dogma is of course going to make this extremely difficult. I would hope that, in the West at least, the fundamentalism gets watered down with each new generation. Unfortunately, the solution really requires them to start cherry picking and ignoring their religion like most Christians do. It does seem they are generally less willing to do this, and the Quran is clearer and less contradictory than the bible.

I am very worried about persecution of women, within Muslims communities in the West. I don't know how much this goes on, and of course it doesn't apply to every Muslim. Far from it. But for those raised in strict families, I imagine escape routes for women would be very difficult, if they even have the confidence to try and haven't been mentally broken down to think they deserve what they get. I have no idea how much this actually goes on, hopefully much less than I would imagine. And again, maybe this will lessen as time goes on.
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RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality
(March 28, 2016 at 2:55 am)ignoramus Wrote: So what can the west do?
How do you decide who are the peaceful ones and who are the potential terrorists?

I don't think one can.
Only a multi generational change of thinking may accomplish that.
And by the time that happens, you'll find the women are magically not wearing their stupid slave clothes either.
These are the same women who demand we not dictate to them what they can and can't wear. Go figure.
How can you tell the difference between if anyones peaceful or a terrorist?

Should we just ban everyone?
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RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality
(March 28, 2016 at 2:50 am)Marsellus Wallace Wrote: so only 6% are muslims and can do all that damage and show the true colour of their culture....,and they're still thinking about allowing more of these scums into europe ?!!
let's see what happens when it's 20% and they take over more neighbourhoods.

There's that blanket statement on Europeans and "national culture". I for one consider the above quoted mindset to be the largest threat. Also the "national" part. It's us driving our culture into the shitter. Because of people having irrational fears of a minority and certain politicians feeding on it like vampires. We were there before, some 80 years ago. And since my family belonged to the hated minority back then, I certainly won't stand for a second helping. As long as I can have my say at least.
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RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality
(March 28, 2016 at 2:50 am)Marsellus Wallace Wrote: so only 6% are muslims and can do all that damage and show the true colour of their culture....,and they're still thinking about allowing more of these scums into europe ?!!
let's see what happens when it's 20% and they take over more neighbourhoods.

It's hard to respect anyone who generalizes entire swathes of people as "scum" based on their faith. Here, do some math for us real quick-like, okay? How many Muslims currently live in Europe? How many have committed an act of terror?

Divide the latter by the former, and give us the percentage.

By the way, for that 6% to increase to 20%, you'd have to see 70 million Muslims move there. I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon.

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RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality
(March 28, 2016 at 4:57 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:
(March 28, 2016 at 2:50 am)Marsellus Wallace Wrote: so only 6% are muslims and can do all that damage and show the true colour of their culture....,and they're still thinking about allowing more of these scums into europe ?!!
let's see what happens when it's 20% and they take over more neighbourhoods.

It's hard to respect anyone who generalizes entire swathes of people as "scum" based on their faith. Here, do some math for us real quick-like, okay? How many Muslims currently live in Europe? How many have committed an act of terror?
soon.

what if their faith tells them to kill you and everybody that is not muslim ? oh, you still won't do that, cuz it's not PC huh
If you lived with muslims your whole life, you'll understand that generalizing is only fair.

(March 28, 2016 at 4:57 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:
(March 28, 2016 at 2:50 am)Marsellus Wallace Wrote: so only 6% are muslims and can do all that damage and show the true colour of their culture....,and they're still thinking about allowing more of these scums into europe ?!!
let's see what happens when it's 20% and they take over more neighbourhoods.

By the way, for that 6% to increase to 20%, you'd have to see 70 million Muslims move there. I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon.

by their breeding rates, they will reach that number if not more.
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RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality
Quote: Europeans regard Islam as more threatening to their national cultures than other faiths (or indeed atheism), according to a 2013 poll by the Bertelsmann Foundation, a non-profit organisation in Germany. Many across the continent see Islam as incompatible with the West.

I wonder why that is?

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RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality
(March 29, 2016 at 12:46 am)Marsellus Wallace Wrote: what if their faith tells them to kill you and everybody that is not muslim ? oh, you still won't do that, cuz it's not PC huh
If you lived with muslims your whole life, you'll understand that generalizing is only fair.

Not, it's not about PC for me, asshole. You should only impute motives to people you know.

I've lived in two Muslim nations -- Iran and Saudi Arabia -- for a total of five years. While that isn't the lifetime you're demanding, I feel that it's plenty of experience upon which to base my opinion.

(March 29, 2016 at 12:46 am)Marsellus Wallace Wrote: by their breeding rates, they will reach that number if not more.

I asked you for numbers about terrorist individuals versus total Muslim population in the EU. Why are you not providing them?

And since you've added this birthrate claim, please support it with numbers, too. Remember, it won't be enough to show a higher birthrate. Show a birthrate curve, when you think it will reach 20%, and while you're at it, make sure you take into account the correlation between poverty (and wealth) on birthrates.

When you reply to this post, bring hard numbers. I'm not interested in your personal biases or anecdotes. I want facts. Bring 'em.

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