Let's be honest, America.

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God is the only real thing that keep us away from madness.

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I am not so sure that it helps. in fact the opposite seems to be true. people who imagine they know god do all sorts of freaky shit.

[abaris]

God is the only real thing that keep us away from madness.

If that's the intent, he's doing a bloody bad job then.

[Brian37]

America hanged Saddam Hussain and destroyed Iraq when it tried to sell oil in Euro.

America assassinated Gaddafi and destroyed Libya when Gaddafi tried to establish a new gold currency that would eventually cancel any importance for the dollar.

America unleashed a propaganda war against Iran similar to that against Saddam and Iraq; claiming they want to build a nuclear bomb, just like accusing Iraq falsely of having WMDs.

It's all about oil and the dollar, America. It's getting cheap, everybody knows. No point of hiding it anymore.

When I say America, I don't refer to American people. I refer to the regime that is in its essence, a collection of capitalist fat cats, who have enough power to assassinate even the president -Kennedy proved that-.

Everybody must wake up.

Nope, sorry Oswald acted alone. If Hinkley had been successful in murdering Reagan, conspiracies would have come out of that. You do not get away with making attempts on any president successful or not.

[WinterHold]

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God is the only real thing that keep us away from madness.

I am not so sure that it helps. in fact the opposite seems to be true. people who imagine they know god do all sorts of freaky shit.
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It's not like non believers are that clean; real belief in a judgement day -and the possibility that we might go to hell in that day- does act as a preventing wall against freaky stuff.

Committing bad stuff are all about not fearing or regretting a consequence. That's why governments govern things with regulations and laws; even the most liberal society must have those laws, or things would get out of hand. Countries that suffer a shortage in law execution, suffer too from high crime rates and terrible things.

Other than that, most serial killers are in fact non believers.

abaris

He gives us a reason to survive, at least..to keep going.

Brian37
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The Oswald tale never made sense. Government statements never come true, Brian.
Just like Sadat in Egypt. It always turns out to be an inside job.

[Brian37]

I am not so sure that it helps. in fact the opposite seems to be true. people who imagine they know god do all sorts of freaky shit.

It's not like non believers are that clean; real belief in a judgement day -and the possibility that we might go to hell in that day- does act as a preventing wall against freaky stuff.

Committing bad stuff are all about not fearing or regretting a consequence. That's why governments govern things with regulations and laws; even the most liberal society must have those laws, or things would get out of hand. Countries that suffer a shortage in law execution, suffer too from high crime rates and terrible things.

Other than that, most serial killers are in fact non believers.

abaris

He gives us a reason to survive, at least..to keep going.

Brian37
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The Oswald tale never made sense. Government statements never come true, Brian.
Just like Sadat in Egypt. It always turns out to be an inside job.
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I want this to be a lesson to theists reading this, "atheist" does not make us a gang, some atheists have their own woo, and conspiracy garbage is a form of woo. 

Nope sorry, he acted alone. High profile events like that and 9/11 have way too many diverse people involved in the investigation for a cover up to work, this is simply bigfoot bullshit. I am sorry that is not sexy enough for you, but if more than one person had been involved, our government would have found out. 

JFK died for  simple reasons. Oswald was nuts, 2 security had holes in it that day, 3 and the biggest reason JFK chose to ride in an open vehicle.

[abaris]

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The Oswald tale never made sense. Government statements never come true, Brian.
Just like Sadat in Egypt. It always turns out to be an inside job.

If JFK fell victim to anyone, other than Oswald alone, the Mafia would be the better bet than some government conspiracy. They were pissed off royally by everything the Kennedys did. There's some evidence of them taking Mafia money and influence to rig the elections, but especially Bobby cracked down hard on them after getting into office.

I say the same what I always say when it comes to conspiracy theories. How many people would have had to know to organise something like that? Quite a few, I would guess, and still nobody stood up to blow the whistle, other than a nutjob of a prosecutor and a few other nutters claiming to have inside knowledge.

True, it's easier to pull the assassination of a single person that it is with the Twin Tower bullshit. But still, inside job seems very far fetched. First, as opposed to the mob, there hasn't been any real motif on the side of government organisations. Secondly because of possible leaks that didn't surface within nnearly 53 years.

[Brian37]

The more people you get in to ask to keep a secret the harder it becomes to keep. Now with the size of our law enforcement, it is simply bullshit to claim a cover up is possible.

1. There is no political party oath to join any law enforcement.

2. The higher up you go in law enforcement, to the elite such as the Secret Service, they craw up your ass with a microscope all the way through your life, to vet you.

3. Both with the JFK and 9/11 there were way too many diverse individuals involved with those investigatons to make a conspiracy cover up work. PERIOD. In both cases the mundane lead to those events. Lack of enough security, holes in security.

Conspiracies are pop out just as a form of delusion, because to the person buying them, the mundane is not sexy enough for them. The same crap that causes people to buy JFK/9/11 is the same crap that cause people to buy claims of big foot and Area 51 and crop circles.

[Kosh]

I'm hoping we learn our lesson and stop trying to assist rebels in the middle east create regime change.  We get sucked in by groups wanting to overthrow their dictators, and implement a peaceful democracy.  We just can't help ourselves.  The biggest sin is our "pride" that we somehow know what's best for this part of the world.
 
Once the dictator is gone, the people in these countries prove that : 
 
1) They don't really want a democracy.  The rebels just wanted to use the USA as a power grab to get themselves in a position of authority.

2) They lack the will to do what's necessary to see things through to the end.  The so called "arab spring" for example.  They roll over and let some bigger jack ass take control. 

I'd like nothing more than to completely pull out of the region, but then it becomes one huge breeding ground for terrorist.