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Evidence for atheist claims
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Evidence for atheist claims
I am starting this post because, so far, no atheist ever showed me evidence for their beliefs (or as you say, "lack of beliefs") and I am curious. I will play the person you believe I am, a "dumb redneck christian" and I will ask you things so you can answer them to me with evidence, of course. First question:

If God did not create the earth, how is it that we have an earth here and we live in it? Also, I beg, provide evidence for your claims.
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#2
RE: Evidence for atheist claims
That isn't anything to do with atheism, it's cosmology and abiogenesis. You can be an atheist and still think the world was made out of jelly by someone's ghost yesterday. You're conflating atheism with scepticism/scientific approaches.

I'm no expert in this field, but I believe the earth used to be part of the sun, a long time ago. It broke off and cooled down. You can research this stuff all over the internet, but I can find you some links if you want.

Saying God did it because "you don't have an explanation" is a logical fallacy called the argument from ignorance which I explain on my website here. If there is no good answer yet supported by evidence, then it's unknown. It's not "make up whatever you want".

Just google "how did the earth form", there's loads of articles. Here is one:

Quote:The Earth is thought to have been formed about 4.6 billion years ago by collisions in the giant disc-shaped cloud of material that also formed the Sun. Gravity slowly gathered this gas and dust together into clumps that became asteroids and small early planets called planetesimals. These objects collided repeatedly and gradually got bigger, building up the planets in the Solar System, including the Earth.

The details of how the Earth formed are still being worked out. Scientists study meteorites and the oldest rocks on Earth to understand what happened in these earliest times in the Solar System. They also observe other solar systems in our galaxy, the Milky Way.

Our resident scientists can do better, I'm sure, and maybe link you some decent evidence sites. Abiogenesis (the origin of life) is still an open question, but scientists are getting pretty close I believe.
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#3
RE: Evidence for atheist claims
Matey, that's as silly as saying: We are at a perfect distance away from the sun. Any closer and we'd fry, any farther and we'd freeze!
What an absolutely amazing miracle! Can't be, right! Must be God! fine tuning and all...

Real answer: We wouldn't be here talking about it if we weren't one of the many (but relatively very rare) planets situated in the goldilocks zones.
For every planet with the potential for life, there are literally countless planets which can never sustain life! But they're not complaining. really.

This logic always brings my mind to the "puddle of water" story. A perfect fit! Must be intelligently designed,
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RE: Evidence for atheist claims
(3rd May 2016, 04:51)Wryetui Wrote: I am starting this post because, so far, no atheist ever showed me evidence for their beliefs (or as you say, "lack of beliefs") and I am curious. I will play the person you believe I am, a "dumb redneck christian" and I will ask you things so you can answer them to me with evidence, of course. First question:

If God did not create the earth, how is it that we have an earth here and we live in it? Also, I beg, provide evidence for your claims.

Have I ever told you about my friend, the invisible Dragon Fnarg? It does my bidding, and if you don't give me all your money now and in the future, it will haunt you in the afterlife and forever burn you with its fiery breath. You'll surely agree that you should comply and proceed with the money transfer asap. Fnarg is not a very pleasant fellow.
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RE: Evidence for atheist claims
You're the one with the claim, you have to prove it, not us.
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RE: Evidence for atheist claims
(3rd May 2016, 04:51)Wryetui Wrote: I am starting this post because, so far, no atheist ever showed me evidence for their beliefs (or as you say, "lack of beliefs") and I am curious. I will play the person you believe I am, a "dumb redneck christian" and I will ask you things so you can answer them to me with evidence, of course. First question:

If God did not create the earth, how is it that we have an earth here and we live in it? Also, I beg, provide evidence for your claims.

Do you really think that starting a new thread on the same topic you've already brought up is going to yield you better results?

Further more, you initially put forth the claims that there's a god who created the esrth. You have yet to provide any proof of this claim yet you now have the nerve to ask atheists to do your homework for you? That's tantamount to accusing someone of a crime and then forcing them to provide the evidence that they didn't do it. No...it doesn't work that way. You and the theists that have all tried this same old tired bag of tricks before you, fail miserably to grasp the simple concept that it is up to the ones who insist that their God claims are real, who must provide this evidence. You don't get to demand we show proof of your ignorance when you're the one making the claim to begin with.

I'm starting to think there should be a fucking requirement for all theists that sign up here, who specifically try and make this redundant argument, that their posts be monitored for 30 days and that they should have to search on similar posts before making a new thread about this bull shit. Additionally, there should be a requirement that continuously starting new threads by the same person, asking the same questions over and over should be a bannable offense.

Shit like this is really getting fucking old. So are you going to abandon this thread and start a new one when no one tells you what you want to hear? For fucks sake. You are on a forum where the majority are persons who either don't believe in any god, think religion is bull shit, aren't theists by any stretch if the imagination or all of the above. Do you really think any of those people are going to abandon their views simply because you say there is a god, but refuse to offer up any sort of tangible proof?

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RE: Evidence for atheist claims
(3rd May 2016, 04:51)Wryetui Wrote: I am starting this post because, so far, no atheist ever showed me evidence for their beliefs (or as you say, "lack of beliefs") and I am curious.[...]

Why would I need evidence of non-existence of an entity, which has been proposed without any evidence?

Did you ask your parents for evidence, when they finally admitted, that Santa Claus was made-up? And what kind of evidence would be sufficient? Just because your parents bought your presents and they didn't believe in Santa Claus, it doesn't mean he doesn't exist. You - and your family - might not have been worthy of Santa's time, or perhaps your idea of what he's responsible for was wrong. Or maybe you lived in stubborn denial of Santa's presence, due to your pride and lack of faith? 

You can't logically disprove the existence of anything - especially vaguely and inconsistently defined beings, that are supposed to be exempt from the laws of physics. But just as I don't need to justify my disbelief in unicorns, gnomes, goblins, poltergeists, imps, gremlins, griffins, wizards, golems, fairies, pixies, vampires, were-wolves, zombies, alien visitors and countless other mythical beings, only known from stories and never from evidence - in the exact same way I don't need to prove that every single god proposed by every one of the thousands of religions is a fantasy. 

There isn't enough time in the world to debunk every bullsh*t claim ignorant/stupid/dishonest people make. And how are your particular religion's/denomination's unsubstantiated claims any different from all the other nonsense?
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RE: Evidence for atheist claims
Besides the poster that came after me, no one really answered anything, well, anything besides unbased mockery which I am getting used to.

Now, I have read this claim "The Earth is thought to have been formed about 4.6 billion years ago by collisions in the giant disc-shaped cloud of material that also formed the Sun. Gravity slowly gathered this gas and dust together into clumps that became asteroids and small early planets called planetesimals. These objects collided repeatedly and gradually got bigger, building up the planets in the Solar System, including the Earth.

The details of how the Earth formed are still being worked out. Scientists study meteorites and the oldest rocks on Earth to understand what happened in these earliest times in the Solar System. They also observe other solar systems in our galaxy, the Milky Way." but you are not better than any theist by just stating it so, if you read this claim without any further information it looks like a beautiful tale. I need, as you, evidence for this claim. What is the evidence behind this?

You said I could read the internet but that is not my point. This is a debate forum and if we would search the internet everytime we have a doubt there would be no forum at all, I want you guys to explain this to me.
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RE: Evidence for atheist claims
(3rd May 2016, 04:51)Wryetui Wrote: I am starting this post because, so far, no atheist ever showed me evidence for their beliefs (or as you say, "lack of beliefs") and I am curious. I will play the person you believe I am, a "dumb redneck christian" and I will ask you things so you can answer them to me with evidence, of course. First question:

If God did not create the earth, how is it that we have an earth here and we live in it? Also, I beg, provide evidence for your claims.

Rob ninja'd me on this one but I'm going to reinforce what he said: there is no requirement to have any knowledge of anything in order to be an atheist, only to have no belief in theistic claims/propositions. There are many religions which are atheistic (e.g. Buddhism, Taoism, some paganisms, Raelianism) that believe all sorts of 'supernatural' things regarding all sorts of topics. Generalisations, such as the one you've made, are an indication that you believe certain myths about atheists, of the type spread by religious groups that have a vested interest in misrepresenting atheists for their own gain. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you don't know that they're deliberate misrepresentations but be aware that if you do know, there are people on this board who'll sniff that out very quickly and you'll pay the price in unabashed ridicule.

If you really want to know what 'atheists' think, you need to stop thinking of them as a coherent group but instead as individuals whose value-systems don't include theisms. You can then ask them questions about the values they actually hold rather than believing erroneous stereotypes. That way, you may have some productive, sharing discussions and actually learn something about people whose views differ to your own.
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RE: Evidence for atheist claims
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth

For fucks sake.
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