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Humans are scum
#11
RE: Humans are scum
And then we die. 

Not much to be done except to try and be the change you wish to see in the world...most of the time, anyway. 
Can't run around have folks thinking they can just punk you whenever they want, right?

There seems to be just enough people around wanting or willing to do better, to make things worth it half the time.
Or at least some of the time. Occasionally.

Or you could try and put it out of your head. Pour yourself a nice bowl of Cheerios. Big Grin
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#12
RE: Humans are scum
(May 22, 2016 at 1:19 pm)RozKek Wrote: Do you assume that all human beings are that way? Do you assume that everyone is that "stereotypical, dumb" human?

I assume that everyone could equally be a medieval peasant reveling while a woman is burned alive.
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#13
RE: Humans are scum
(May 22, 2016 at 12:44 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: Humans are disgusting; they have the minds to do better, but they can't do better. They're damned to make things worse for themselves, to make the wrong choices time and again. They love torture, they'd rather skin someone alive than have a conversation, their mouths water at the idea of violence. Humans are horrid things - they saw people in half for fun, they burn people for fun. Every facet of this species is vile. They don't want to solve problems, they want to celebrate ignorance while the world burns.

Perspective is everything. You might want to speak for yourself, rather than about everybody. You'll certainly carry more authority.

(May 22, 2016 at 1:22 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: I assume that everyone could equally be a medieval peasant reveling while a woman is burned alive.

A fatuous assumption if ever I read one.

But hey, if it helps you feel better about yourself to think this, go right ahead. You're better than everyone else. Here's your trophy.

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#14
RE: Humans are scum
(May 22, 2016 at 1:22 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: I assume that everyone could equally be a medieval peasant reveling while a woman is burned alive.

The fact that the overwhelming percentage of modern humans aren't is problematic for your case.
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#15
RE: Humans are scum
We are the same creatures that once enjoyed the sight of burning people. The difference between deploring violence and loving it is a difference in programming.
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#16
RE: Humans are scum
(May 22, 2016 at 12:52 pm)Aoi Magi Wrote: Humanity isn't all that bad. Yes there is violence and ignorance, but compared to that there's a lot more good out there, and we ARE making progress towards a more civilized world slowly.

We always tend to fall back on chimpish tribalism. The global success of rightwingers proves as much.

But we have to make a distinction between individuals and groups here. Groups are mostly worse than any individual anywhere.
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#17
RE: Humans are scum
(May 22, 2016 at 1:47 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: We are the same creatures that once enjoyed the sight of burning people. The difference between deploring violence and loving it is a difference in programming.

The programming you refer to is uniquely human and progress compared to our more primitive selves. The fact that some of us still display barbaric traits is not sufficient reason to denigrate the entire species. 

Chimps are also naturally violent. The 'programming', as you call it, is the improvement:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPznMbNcfO8
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#18
RE: Humans are scum
(May 22, 2016 at 1:47 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: We are the same creatures that once enjoyed the sight of burning people. The difference between deploring violence and loving it is a difference in programming.

You are?

I'm not. Those who enjoyed that sort of thing may have been humans, but they certainly weren't me or, presumably, you.

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#19
RE: Humans are scum
(May 22, 2016 at 2:09 pm)Cato Wrote:
(May 22, 2016 at 1:47 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: We are the same creatures that once enjoyed the sight of burning people. The difference between deploring violence and loving it is a difference in programming.

The programming you refer to is uniquely human and progress compared to our more primitive selves. The fact that some of us still display barbaric traits is not sufficient reason to denigrate the entire species. 

Chimps are also naturally violent. The 'programming', as you call it, is the improvement:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPznMbNcfO8

Cato, I was just about to go look for an example of exactly that phenomenon, when I read far enough to see you had already done so. Kudos.

Every time I see the things being complained about by the OP, all I can think is "damnit, we're still just chimps". We must use our evolved big brains to distinguish ourselves from them! And we are, as Pinker and others have pointed out. But our instincts still rule us, far too often.

The question is whether or not our more-chimplike hierarchical thinkers, our violence-against-what-is-feared types, will continue to try to rule all others... and whether or not success at this point in history will leave our planet a radioactive cinder.
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#20
RE: Humans are scum
(May 22, 2016 at 1:47 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: We are the same creatures that once enjoyed the sight of burning people. The difference between deploring violence and loving it is a difference in programming.

That's a quite simplistic way of thinking, not everyone is the same, are we?
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