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God is in charge of the world.
#31
RE: God is in charge of the world.
(June 3, 2016 at 10:36 pm)Lek Wrote: All the nations that he told the Jews to wipe out would have wiped out the Jewish nation.  They also would have killed a bunch of their own children.

Neither is prophecy that did not come to pass an excuse.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
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#32
RE: God is in charge of the world.
(June 3, 2016 at 10:33 pm)madog Wrote:
(June 3, 2016 at 10:19 pm)Lek Wrote: God claims to be the creator of the universe.  That makes him responsible for everything in the universe.

No the religious claim that .... 

What I have a problem with is .... which god do you mean?

Before some bright spark thought of the "One god" experiment it was easier to show each "Gods" short falls .... now there are millions of gods but all under the same name.

I know you will claim your God is the right God, but your god is probably different than every other denomination of "Christians" and just as likely to be totally different than every other member of your congregation.  Undecided

Dog.

God is just who he is. No matter what we believe about him, God is God.
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#33
RE: God is in charge of the world.
(June 3, 2016 at 10:38 pm)Maelstrom Wrote: Neither is prophecy that did not come to pass an excuse.

What prophecy is that?
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#34
RE: God is in charge of the world.
(June 3, 2016 at 10:39 pm)Lek Wrote: What prophecy is that?

The one you provided above.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
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#35
RE: God is in charge of the world.
(June 3, 2016 at 10:36 pm)Lek Wrote:
(June 3, 2016 at 10:32 pm)Maelstrom Wrote: I am not falling for that.

Self defense is naturally excused.

Why does an all powerful God need self defense as an excuse for genocide?

All the nations that he told the Jews to wipe out would have wiped out the Jewish nation.  They also would have killed a bunch of their own children.

And that is relevant because????  And the bible and the OT already have justifications for killing your own child so what are you getting at?
So god tells jews to go and kill people instead of i don't know going to said people and converting them over there is hardly any logic to that.
If i were playing god or was a god i would get my point across like hey assholes i'm god don't fight each other. Yet he favors 1 group of desert
dwellers to roam around in the desert killing and slaughtering and raping people yeah... that's some really grade a morals.....
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#36
RE: God is in charge of the world.
(June 3, 2016 at 10:17 pm)Lek Wrote:   You're suffering right now.  Do you wish you were never born or are you glad?

How is that relevant? many many people wish they weren't born, but most don't want to go through the pain of ending their life.

If you were born into pain you may not be so self obsessed.

The point is you talk of free will ... free will what a joke .... you are forced to be born and then if you didn't want that "gift" you have to go through pain to get out of the "gift" .... and if you use your free will to get out of the "gift" you burn in hell?

Dog.
Religion is the top shelf of the supernatural supermarket ... Madog
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#37
RE: God is in charge of the world.
(June 3, 2016 at 10:17 pm)Lek Wrote:
(June 3, 2016 at 1:33 pm)Nymphadora Wrote: emphasis mine.

Okay, so then why worship a deity like that? Can you not see that he's a narcissist POS that really doesn't give a shit about his sheeple since he allows that sort of thing to happen?

We've all suffered to attain something that's worth the suffering.  We don't know how it all fits into eternity.  Even God has suffered.  Because suffering is unpleasant doesn't mean that it is bad.  You're suffering right now.  Do you wish you were never born or are you glad?

Ok, so now God is responsible for us being born!

Sorry, I keep forgetting who I'm replying to. 
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#38
RE: God is in charge of the world.
(June 3, 2016 at 10:36 pm)Lek Wrote: All the nations that he told the Jews to wipe out would have wiped out the Jewish nation.  They also would have killed a bunch of their own children.

He could have given such an order, but that doesn't help us distinguish between self-serving narratives that justify genocide and a command from an actual supernatural being. A tri-omni god could have prevented the errant nations from carrying out their evildoing in any number of ways.

Including horrific tornadoes.

The fact that the acts supposedly carried out by the ancient Hebrews fit the same profile as every other example of humans killing different humans throughout history is a damning indictment of your position.
A Gemma is forever.
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#39
RE: God is in charge of the world.
(June 3, 2016 at 10:38 pm)Lek Wrote:
(June 3, 2016 at 10:33 pm)madog Wrote: No the religious claim that .... 

What I have a problem with is .... which god do you mean?

Before some bright spark thought of the "One god" experiment it was easier to show each "Gods" short falls .... now there are millions of gods but all under the same name.

I know you will claim your God is the right God, but your god is probably different than every other denomination of "Christians" and just as likely to be totally different than every other member of your congregation.  Undecided

Dog.

God is just who he is.  No matter what we believe about him, God is God.

Are you going to keep using pointless one liners that mean nothing or do you want a discussion?

Dog.
Religion is the top shelf of the supernatural supermarket ... Madog
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#40
RE: God is in charge of the world.
(June 3, 2016 at 10:40 pm)dyresand Wrote:
(June 3, 2016 at 10:36 pm)Lek Wrote: All the nations that he told the Jews to wipe out would have wiped out the Jewish nation.  They also would have killed a bunch of their own children.

And that is relevant because????  And the bible and the OT already have justifications for killing your own child so what are you getting at?
So god tells jews to go and kill people instead of i don't know going to said people and converting them over there is hardly any logic to that.
If i were playing god or was a god i would get my point across like hey assholes i'm god don't fight each other. Yet he favors 1 group of desert
dwellers to roam around in the desert killing and slaughtering and raping people yeah... that's some really grade a morals.....

Actually, he didn't favor the Jews over anybody. He also wreaked havoc on them as well a number of times. Anybody who sincerely seeks out God will find him.
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