Making the case for Islam.

[WinterHold]

Peace be upon you too; MY SHIA MUSLIM friend.

You forgot to add "Making the case for SHIA Islam"..
"Ahlu Al Bayt" must show their nose in this topic:

We know even there exists some humans who can hold praise in a way that far exceeds and is far more exalted then the general masses.

Let me guess: 
1-those people are "Imams"
2-there are 12 of them
3-you worship them
4-you're actually waiting for the last Imam (Mehdi) to come up, dig the graves of "Sunna ancient warlords like Abu-Bakr and Omar" and spills rivers of blood, that would make earth "clean" again:
http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/2349...ir-graves/
Did you consider signing up as a priest here?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_Mo...ces_(Iraq)#Shiite _component
https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/01/31/iraq...ia-militia

I mean, you are waiting for "Imam Mehdi", right?
And, you will reject everything I said here and "act a fool" since "acting a fool" is actually a type of worship for you people; your sunni brothers also believe in "acting fools":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiya#Twelver_Shia_view

Don't misunderstand me; Mystic. I too, try to hide my faith so I don't get butchered. But doing it, to trick and fool people into my religion is one thing I see as very very low.

Like, admit to those members: You are a shia twelver who has beliefs such as this:
http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/2349...ir-graves/

Your religion is built upon the hatered of Sunna (which contributed to this secterian madness in my region); frankly I don't care that much, but nowadays sunni/shia stinky flip-flops began to fly around ; and shia are such a main component in this war.

I don't want stinky flip-flips to hit me.

Not cool.

But again, what is new in this topic?
And honestly, to prove God use this verse from the Quran:

Sura 51
( 20 )   And on the earth are signs for the certain [in faith]
( 21 )   And in yourselves. Then will you not see?
( 22 )   And in the heaven is your provision and whatever you are promised.
( 23 )   Then by the Lord of the heaven and earth, indeed, it is truth - just as [sure as] it is that you are speaking.

comparing between the case in the verses, and the one your topic, would show you what I mean

[Mystic]

So far I'm just talking about general structure like the blue print behind all books revealed by God and all religions (which are all instances of the true religion) revealed by God.

So far it's mainly that God would send guidance. Not too much more then that, has been proven.

[Minimalist]

I think the only "proof" you know anything about is on a liquor bottle.

[Mystic]

11. God Guides to the truth (essential cornerstone of this discussion)
2. Who guides by the truth is more worthy of being followed or those who aren't guided unless they are guided.

It seems when we don't want to follow God, or say we won't follow any representatives of God as there are no such representatives or no books revealed by God, we incline to either:

1. Follow others who aren't sure are guided.
2. Follow ourselves when we aren't sure we are guided.

It seems people become satisfied for misguidance rather then guidance. 

The whole gist is if God guides by the truth, then he would prove essentially those who he wants us to follow and look towards.

The absence of the manifestation of a clear proof, but a hidden proof, is up to God. It's up to God make the proof hidden or manifest.

We know there is absence of manifestation of clear proof in some areas in some times, but we know God, would also not leave humanity to themselves but rather seek to guide them. That is to say, there is always a way towards God, a path towards God, a way to follow God upon certainty and be lead by him.

That way is essentially God's light. It is manifested by a book and that which is manifested by the book is essentially the light of the most praiseworthy servant of God.

That is the reminder is a light which is a both the book and who the book has been revealed to.

I would say this essential thing to reflect upon, so manifest, so clear, that God guides to the truth yet we are inclining to those who we don't know are guided or not, and have no clear proof that they are leading us upon guidance, and following people out of ignorance, should be found emphasized in the book revealed by God.

And that God would counter this false worshipped system of idols (known as the Taghut in Quran) with leaders who inclining to would be inclining to God, and following would be following God, is essential truth to any book revealed by God.

This so far has to be an ingredient in God's book.

[Aoi Magi]

I thought I saw the word "math" in OP, so far I don't see anything remotely resembling that!

[ReptilianPeon]

I like you Mr. MysticKnight, but your post was a little confusing. First of all, I don't need Allah or the Quran to tell me how great my life is. I could be an ameba in a petri dish in a laboratory or somebody struggling in Somalia. Life is valuable.

Life can be tough at times. Just ask Altas with their MS, epilepsy and living Saudi with the threat of Saudi Gulags. But at least I have clean drinking water, nice food to eat and other nice things.

Can you explain the names of Allah, why it is important? Why does Allah need all these different names? The god of the Zarathustrians has one-hundred-and-one names - that's two more than Allah. That's probably where they got all these names of Allah from.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/101_Names_of_God

You said it yourself, Allah has signs. We should see the signs and that good enough, no? So why does Allah need all of these different names? We are told Allah can do anything after all. Some of the names aren't even in the Quran - they are found only in the Hadith, and people disagree on them -  and I'm sure Atlas can elaborate on this.

Do I utter a different name of Allah depending on what Dua outcome I want? I'm not really sure that you've told us why names are important. Mathematics, people have argued that before about the Quran - but it's nothing a human couldn't do - especially with all kinds of amazing computer hardware and software of today.

[Mystic]

I'm not really sure that you've told us why names are important. 

Names are just a praise of God and then knowing that when you are praising him with that praise, that praise exists in a way that unites all other praises.

The praises of God are always done in a way that we know that which is praised unites all other praises. That is why his names are said to be all-beautiful. Because they all unite all beauty.

They are important in this discussion, in that, we can recognize the following the two: Names as attributes and characteristics, or names as functions or ways of God. For example, "God guides to the truth" is a praise of God, and God is the guide to the truth,  and that which is manifested in that praise, when applied to God, and God is recognized through it, we always remember that ultimate source of all praise and greatness, that unites all praise and greatness.

This also essential to recognize in that all creation rights are then derived from God's truth and everything is created by the truth of God's holy names and attributes.

The form we take and our uniqueness is all relative, and our value and worth and measurement, depends on the extent of the descent of his names and what level we have of them and our degrees of knowledge of them.

They have been called "Signs of God" more then they have been called "Names of God" in Quran, but essentially the face of God or the name of God unites all names and signs of God.

[Mystic]

You said it yourself, Allah has signs. We should see the signs and that good enough, no? 

It can be said that we see it with fuzzy vision because our heart visions aren't strong. Ideally, it should be enough, but realistically looking at the world, it is not. We need divine help.  Also, look at what is being discussed about who ought to be followed, and we are in fact following. 
Also, the true religion would be a catalyst to bring unity upon the path and vision of the signs of God, and the unite us upon that path and way towards God that is most straight.

[ReptilianPeon]

So when Allah is the Ad-Darr, the distressor/harmer or Al-Muhaymin, the controller, that's a good attribute of Allah? Wouldn't that be an admission that Allah is intervening directly in the affairs of humanity and that we don't really have free will? Allah is also said to be Al-Muzill, the giver of dishonour, so it's a shame the Pharaoh wasn't dishonoured into giving up straight away to Moses and we had to got through all that shenanigans.

And isn't Al-Ghafur (much forgiving) just a repeat of Al-Ghaffar (repeatedly forgiving)? And why have As-Sami (all hearing) and Al-Basir (all seeing) when you already have the name Al-Khabir (the all aware). That doesn't sound very efficient of Allah.

[LastPoet]

MK.... have you been taking lessons from Little Rik or something? Sense, you do not make /yoda.