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Could this explian what Dark matter and Dark energy is?
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RE: Could this explian what Dark matter and Dark energy is?
(June 10, 2016 at 1:24 am)Blueyedlion Wrote: I transcribed this interview some time ago from  a scientist outside the public radar, unfortunately it was too long ago for me to remember who it was. I thought it might be interesting for people on this forum to read because I've never heard it from scientists before.

Does this explanation make sense?
No, it's hare brained nonsense by someone who doesn't understand the first thing about cosmology.

Quote:"All mater is made of energy so dark matter is the same as dark energy.

No. The whole point about dark energy is that it is not diluted when space expands, as opposed to matter. When the volume of space doubles, the amount of dark matter stays the same, the amount of dark energy doubles, because it's a constant of space - at least in its simplest form when it is described by Einstein's cosmological constant. That's the difference why matter "brakes" the acceleration of expansion, while the other leads to an acceleration. It's called the "equation of state": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equation_o...smology%29

Quote:The reason many scientists belief they have found two different things is because there is more praise over multiple discoveries then one.
lol, that's the dumbest thing I've read in a while. See above.

From here on, it's just random gibberish.
Quote:Dark matter is going to be based on dimensional plains, when we start to understand how to define dimensions then we will be able to define it as an equation and then we will be able to look at that dark matter and say ‘we’ve got layers of dark matter here.’ its not like how we look at a doll and say “here’s the dolls head and the dolls head is holding space, so everything inside of it is the doll." Its not like that because inside of the doll there’s more dark matter so this doll is just one layer of the dimension, so if we were able to peel back the layer the doll wouldn’t really exist in the form we are familiar with, the doll would have a different set of properties of vibrating strings, a different vibration of energy. Because each layer which we can call a dimension has different ranges of vibration - similar to string theory.

We’re going to come across other dimensions of existence. The way we are measuring our space, the way we are measuring what we perceive with our eyes is strictly limited to our senses, they’re extremely limited to what we can do. But it’s a great way of perceiving everything around us for this human instrument, but when we start looking for the truth though it gets quite confusing because you’re going to want to not just use your limited senses. We need to expand beyond that, to do that, it is to be able to come up with a way to perceive other dimensional plains. To put layers of dimensions in perspective, imagine earth and that an alien is standing on top of it, the alien can resonate between 0 to 8 dimensions, you can resonate between 0 to 5. So then the alien can still stay on earth but go into a different dimensional plain. Universes can overlap and these are universes that are in inter-dimensional plains."
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition

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#12
RE: Could this explian what Dark matter and Dark energy is?
(June 10, 2016 at 3:43 am)Blueyedlion Wrote:
(June 10, 2016 at 3:29 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Lack of evidence.  Until that bar is crossed, it's just another speculative hypothesis - at beat.  AFAIK it isn't even supported mathematically.  You don't know the guy's name.  Because of all of that, it's indistinguishable from utter bollocks.

Why should anyone take it seriously?

For the sake of imagination?

I find that insufficient to take seriously. Entertain it on a whim, particularly after one too many Manhattans, perhaps.
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#13
RE: Could this explian what Dark matter and Dark energy is?
(June 10, 2016 at 4:00 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:
(June 10, 2016 at 3:43 am)Blueyedlion Wrote: For the sake of imagination?

I find that insufficient to take seriously.  Entertain it on a whim, particularly after one too many Manhattans, perhaps.

I still wouldn't be entertained by this stuff as poetry after a bottle of Whisky - wild imagination is fun and all, but with these Crackpot physics types, the complete ignorance is always coupled with such a condescending arrogance and insulting conspiracy theories, which I find off-putting. It's like a poetry book where every poem starts with "you're an asshole, go fuck yourself".
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition

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RE: Could this explian what Dark matter and Dark energy is?
(June 10, 2016 at 4:05 am)Alex K Wrote:
(June 10, 2016 at 4:00 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: I find that insufficient to take seriously.  Entertain it on a whim, particularly after one too many Manhattans, perhaps.

I still wouldn't be entertained by this stuff as poetry after a bottle of Whisky - wild imagination is fun and all, but with these Crackpot physics types, the complete ignorance is always coupled with such a condescending arrogance and insulting conspiracy theories, which I find off-putting. It's like a poetry book where every poem starts with "you're an asshole, go fuck yourself".

You've got a point. I'm trying to be less unpleasant, which it why I didn't open with "It's bullshit". Tongue
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RE: Could this explian what Dark matter and Dark energy is?
(June 10, 2016 at 4:10 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:
(June 10, 2016 at 4:05 am)Alex K Wrote: I still wouldn't be entertained by this stuff as poetry after a bottle of Whisky - wild imagination is fun and all, but with these Crackpot physics types, the complete ignorance is always coupled with such a condescending arrogance and insulting conspiracy theories, which I find off-putting. It's like a poetry book where every poem starts with "you're an asshole, go fuck yourself".

You've got a point.  I'm trying to be less unpleasant, which it why I didn't open with "It's bullshit".  Tongue

You're such a softie!
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition

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#16
RE: Could this explian what Dark matter and Dark energy is?
Don't tell anyone.

Wait, is this thing on?
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#17
RE: Could this explian what Dark matter and Dark energy is?
You know what, i was thinking about it, and i thought, maybe i should just provide my own evidence that actually collaborates since i cant find the original source.

Now you cant say, the science isn't behind this, and that it's a bunch of bullocks. This is what you get for not using your imagination Tongue Mwa ha ha...

So we have here Peter Gorham Neutrino physicist who says in a small segment of a documentary -

"The neutrino is the most ridiculous particle you could imagine, a billion neutrinos went through my nose as we were talking and they did nothing to me. They pass through all of the matter around us continuously in a huge, huge blast of particles that does nothing at all. They're like they almost exist in a separate universe but we know as physicists we can measure them, we can make precision predictions and measurements that exist, but we cant get our hands on them because they seem to exist in another place. And yet without neutrinos the beginning of the universe would not have worked, we would not have the matter that we have today because you couldn't create the elements without the neutrinos.  

And the very, very earliest seconds of the big bang the neutrinos were the dominant particle and they actually determined much of the kinetics of the production of the elements we know. So the universe cannot exist the way it is without neutrinos but they seem to be in their own separate universe and we're trying to make contact with that otherworldly universe of neutrinos. And as a physicist, even though i understand it mathematically and i understand it intellectually, it still hits me in the gut that there is something here surrounding me almost like some kind of spirit or god that i cant touch. But i can measure it, it's like measuring the spirit world or something like that."  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jagMBtqz1WE

And during a lecture -

"Currently they just pass right through everything that we know of without any contact at all. To a neutrino your body, this auditorium, this building, all those lack empty space or very, very close to it. So to me this means that neutrinos in some quantitative sense are barely connected to our universe at all, except on a very, very wide scale by their collective gravity which does have an effect that we can measure."
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=960QvCWhELs
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RE: Could this explian what Dark matter and Dark energy is?
Blueyedlion,

Irrespective of what this person says (who seems to have a bit too much of a poetic bent for their own good), Neutrinos are only interacting so little with ordinary matter because the forces they are subject to are mediated by the W and Z bosons, and because those W and Z bosons are so heavy, the interaction is super short-ranged, thus making their collisions with atoms rare. Nothing about this is particularly mysterious, and no, they don't inhabit a different universe. I'll happily elaborate on this if you are actually interested in the science.

By the way, this isn't so true any more for very high energy neutrinos - people thinking about building Muon colliders have to worry about the health effects of the high energy neutrino radiation emanating from decaying muons - high energy neutrinos can be a very real, and very ordinary, radiation hazard which has nothing otherworldly to it.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition

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RE: Could this explian what Dark matter and Dark energy is?
(June 10, 2016 at 5:52 am)Alex K Wrote: Blueyedlion,

Irrespective of what this person says (who seems to have a bit too much of a poetic bent for their own good), Neutrinos are only interacting so little with ordinary matter because the forces they are subject to are mediated by the W and Z bosons, and because those W and Z bosons are so heavy, the interaction is super short-ranged, thus making their collisions with atoms rare. Nothing about this is particularly mysterious, and no, they don't inhabit a different universe. I'll happily elaborate on this if you are actually interested in the science.

By the way, this isn't so true any more for very high energy neutrinos - people thinking about building Muon colliders have to worry about the health effects of the high energy neutrino radiation emanating from decaying muons - high energy neutrinos can be a very real, and very ordinary, radiation hazard which has nothing otherworldly to it.

You can always trust an atheist to turn the spice of life into sand Undecided

So when a scientist who is actually doing the experiments, talks about it, and with passion because obviously he's passionate about it. You're just going to dismiss it because it doesn't correspond to your knowledge -
the knowledge you gained by reading what he's working on....
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RE: Could this explian what Dark matter and Dark energy is?
(June 10, 2016 at 7:36 am)Blueyedlion Wrote:
(June 10, 2016 at 5:52 am)Alex K Wrote: Blueyedlion,

Irrespective of what this person says (who seems to have a bit too much of a poetic bent for their own good), Neutrinos are only interacting so little with ordinary matter because the forces they are subject to are mediated by the W and Z bosons, and because those W and Z bosons are so heavy, the interaction is super short-ranged, thus making their collisions with atoms rare. Nothing about this is particularly mysterious, and no, they don't inhabit a different universe. I'll happily elaborate on this if you are actually interested in the science.

By the way, this isn't so true any more for very high energy neutrinos - people thinking about building Muon colliders have to worry about the health effects of the high energy neutrino radiation emanating from decaying muons - high energy neutrinos can be a very real, and very ordinary, radiation hazard which has nothing otherworldly to it.

You can always trust an atheist to turn the spice of life into sand Undecided

So when a scientist who is actually doing the experiments, talks about it, and with passion because obviously he's passionate about it. You're just going to dismiss it because it doesn't correspond to your knowledge -
the knowledge you gained by reading what he's working on....

I'm not dismissing the guy's passion, I'm dismissing your superficial and biased interpretation of what he is saying. Let me ask you a different question - why did you bring this up in the first place, what did you want to show us?
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition

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