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We need to talk about Muhammad
#11
RE: We need to talk about Muhammad
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Hehehe..hehehehehe...you think he shot those people because he was gay and frustrated about being gay, in some measure?  I don't know what to say, what an adorable opinion.  I think it might have had to do with certain things he believed...... 
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In fact I consider this the most probable reason. Belief and his religious upbringing made the self loathing worse and he certainly thought to do right by his god. But you don't have a gay app on your phone and frequent gay bars to make gay aquaintances for nothing. Over quite some time, as it seems.
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#12
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He wasn't shouting "gay and proud" when he opened fire, finally purging that demon.  Something -else- got out of that guy.  I'm going to go ahead and trust that in this moment, in his life, he was being as honest as he'd ever been.  

Had he been straight and not loathed himself (assuming he was gay and not casing the place like a supervillian...right?)....it doesn't seem likely that he would loathe gays any less. After all, being one himself didn't help.
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#13
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(June 15, 2016 at 10:26 am)Spirian Wrote: “Strong minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, weak minds discuss people.” -Socrates

I say let's discuss the ideology rather than the "person".

The trouble there is that people shape ideologies to suit their desires.  Amongst xristards we call them cherry-pickers. Or as Anne Lamott said it:

“You can safely assume you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
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RE: We need to talk about Muhammad
(June 15, 2016 at 12:16 pm)Rhythm Wrote: He wasn't shouting "gay and proud" when he opened fire, finally purging that demon.

Well, you know. Because he wasn't proud. Doesn't change that he probably was gay, going by what they found out on him. Couldn't live with it and took it out on innocents. Happens frequently. Self loathing turned into the destruction of others.

Look at the quote from the bishop I posted earlier. He makes pretty clear what role religion plays in demonizing gays. Even does some introspection, as far as his own religion is concerned. Which is hard to find these days.

This is the worst mass shooting since Brejvik. And to this day, Brejvik claims to be a christian warrior.
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Wasn't shouting "I hate myself" either.
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RE: We need to talk about Muhammad
(June 15, 2016 at 1:23 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Wasn't shouting "I hate myself" either.

And you think because he wasn't shouting any of that makes it less probable? That always reminds me of people not bothering to look for underlying motifes, thereby condemning society to second helpings. Nobody in law enforcement seriously considers this to be organised by groups. It's just a single guy finally going over the edge. Which happens far too often. And they always claim to have ulterior motifs. Religious upbringing certainly played a role, since it painted him into a corner. That's why I said to look at the quote by the bishop, which I posted in the non gun diatribe of Drippy.
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(June 15, 2016 at 10:26 am)Spirian Wrote: “Strong minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, weak minds discuss people.” -Socrates

I say let's discuss the ideology rather than the "person".

The person is the ideology, dimwit.
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#18
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Yeah, a religious guy going off the religious edge.  I don't know what it is you think I'm disputing.  Obviously being closeted homosexual in -any- society has profoundly negative effects upon closeted homosexuals.  

There are more than a few self loathing gays who don't shoot 50 people.  There are more than a few muslims who don't shoot 50 people.  In being a self loathing homosexual he is entirely like the other self loathing homosexuals.  The man clearly wasn't like all the other muslims in his version of being a muslim.  We can surely agree to that?  We're certainly reminded of it incessantly, by other muslims. If 'm asked to weigh, in this specific instance, between gay frustration or loathing and allah hu akbar....bluntly, the latter seems to make the former inconsequential by comparison.
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RE: We need to talk about Muhammad
(June 15, 2016 at 2:45 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote:
(June 15, 2016 at 10:26 am)Spirian Wrote: “Strong minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, weak minds discuss people.” -Socrates

I say let's discuss the ideology rather than the "person".

This person is the ideology, dimwit.

I never knew that Nikola Tesla was an ideology. I thought his ideas were merely ideas, and come to learn that he was those ideas.

Wow, thanks for the education. I feel less dim already  Wink
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RE: We need to talk about Muhammad
(June 15, 2016 at 2:52 pm)Spirian Wrote:
(June 15, 2016 at 2:45 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: This person is the ideology, dimwit.

I never knew that Nikola Tesla was an ideology. I thought his ideas were merely ideas, and come to learn that he was those ideas.

Wow, thanks for the education. I feel less dim already  Wink

Nikola Tesla didn't found a cult dedicated to himself. Nations are not built on hearsay of Tesla. People don't admonish and seek to emulate him as a central theme of their religious conviction. People do not fly planes into skyscrapers for Tesla.
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