We need to talk about Muhammad

[abaris]

There are more than a few self loathing gays who don't shoot 50 people.  There are more than a few muslims who don't shoot 50 people.

Yeah, but some do.

He's not the first and he won't be the last. Being a self loathing guy finally going over the edge is more along the lines of someone running amok than some guy suddenly finding his love for ISIS. This wasn't like Brejvik, who planned his mass killings over years and leaving some 1000 pages of diatribe to justify what he did. This was a rather short fuse going off.

[The Grand Nudger]

I think the muslim segment of "those that do" is overrepresentated at present..in relation to the self loathing gay segment of the same. It's hard to imagine a shittier combination than those three things alltogther, of course. Those that do who happen to be self loathing homosexual muslims must be a tortured breed.

[WinterHold]

Rhythm

Doesn't seem like it's hard to reach women.  Seems like it hard for them to tattle on men for reaching.....

Yes, it is true that raped women are -in many cases- punished for the rape in Muslim countries.

I think there's a simpler explanation for that.  Those people are gay.  That's what leads them to have gay sex....and it's not as if being gay solves any honor problem in a muslim society....  

No, I'm Bi. I like male circumcised cocks and balls.

I will draw a small shape which I really adore:
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so, no, we aren't born like this, certain shocks and experiences that probably happen in your childhood, lead to you becoming gay, I for instance have certain incidents in my mind but I can't share them here. Also I have a feminine side in me that I love to show. It's like a switch. And that, Rhythm, is because they used to dress me in women's clothes back in the day. At sometimes, of course.

Hehehe..hehehehehe...you think he shot those people because he was gay and frustrated about being gay, in some measure?  I don't know what to say, what an adorable opinion.  I think it might have had to do with certain things he believed...... 

Not because he was gay only, read my comment probably:

AtlasS wrote:
 since homosexuality is precieved as a violation to a man's honor and a bringer of shame ), making the gay person locked and isolated, which leads to explosions

Reports prove how he used to abuse his wife (both wives; actually), in an obvious display of self loathing that is expressed with violence towards others.
His action is his way of expressing "redemption"; the salvation he thinks he'll get when he "explodes", his homophobic acts prove the complexity he suffers from. He was confused.

I don't think he intended to save anyone's honor.

Saving his own honor, perhaps?

I bet he was self hating, too.

[The Grand Nudger]

You never disappoint.  Congratulations on being bi?  Who said anything about being born any way at all...and I hate to sound so flippant but I don't think you understand very much of why you are - the way you are..judging by what you're willing to share of that explanation.

He exploded in an awfully religious way, beating his two wives and ultimately shooting 50 people while shouting god is great.  Go get em tiger.  

What honor?

[WinterHold]

You never disappoint.  Congratulations on being bi?  Who said anything about being born any way at all...and I hate to sound so flippant but I don't think you understand very much of why you are - the way you are..judging by what you're willing to share of that explanation.

He exploded in an awfully religious way, beating his two wives and ultimately killing 50 people while shouting god is great.  Go get em tiger.  

What honor?

Welcome to the Middle East.

I've been trying to copy the experience of living in Middle Eastern societies here, but I don't quite think that American and foreign people understand how things work in the world I live in.

Why do you think we, Middle Eastern people, break loose when we go to the west? gays will fuck and get fucked, girls will strip and take their Hyjabs off (I have relatives who do that, wear Hijab domistically and take it off in the plane's toilet : ), a wide slice do that, not all but many.

You're American. Search for Saudi students who come to the U.S in dozens for their useless scholarships. See the confused cultural mess they're in, and the confusion they suffer from, track their actions and try to link it to Islam; you'll be surprised from the distance between their actions and Islam.

Social honor is a concept in Arabia and the Middle East. When a girl -for example- loses he virginity, then her father loses his "honor"; that is he is:
1-a faggot who couldn't protect his daughter's pussy
2-a weak limb fuck who got jumped over by a girl; his girl
3-ديوث,بعرور,قرن,آغة all these are Arab words describing the man whom 1&2 apply on him. A man who gets fucked in the ass, الخنيث, اللوطي, الخول, well , these are phrases that describe him too : so so violating to a Middle Eastern man's honor. Google translate will give you some nice results, I assume.

Go ask other Arabs about these; though.

That's why they make women dress in garbage bags, and walk 50 feet behind their husbands. If you say what honor, I'll tell you what Islam?

[The Grand Nudger]

Been there, not interested in returning.  I mean, not unless I get paid really damn well for another big cracking war or something.  : shrug :

To you, to muslims, to middle easterners, at least some, islam and honor are synonymous.  They are not, to me.  In the case of this unfortunate muslim shooter I'm not disputing that he was trying to get in the good graces of his god, his version of honor.  I'm pretty sure that's why he did what he did..because of what he believed, as a muslim. Men don't make women wear garbage bags for honor, some men just call it that. Honor is just a word used in a translation to give me some sense of the analog concept held by another culture or society.

[WinterHold]

Been there, not interested in returning.  I mean, not unless I get paid really damn well for another big cracking war or something.  : shrug :

To you, to muslims, to middle easterners, at least some, islam and honor are synonymous.  They are not, to me.  In the case of this unfortunate muslim shooter I'm not disputing that he was trying to get in the good graces of his god, his version of honor.  I'm pretty sure that's why he did what he did..because of what he believed, as a muslim.  Men don't make women wear garbage bags for honor, some men just call it that.  Honor is just a word used in a translation to give me some sense of the analog concept held by another culture or society.

Serving as a soldier doesn't mean you saw the region well enough; American soldiers were spending their time hiding in green zones and pooping their pants at any signs of attack. You guys saw the region from the skies only, or from the openings in your bunkers. Being on the streets meant death, it's not like the people greeted you with flowers.

Anyhow you know nothing about the Middle East. That's why you let your dogs (the Arab regimes) do the dirty business, and you as Americans, prefer to bomb from above, without "staining" your shoes in gutter.

Honor's definition does differ from a place to the other, but to Arabs it's cultural, Islam is a mere decoration. In times of need, Islam is thrown in the garbage. Homosexuality is hated here because the man who does it is seen as a weak, submissive mate, who take it in the ass. That's why (and you should know this as a soldier), Americans tortured Iraqies in Abu-Ghuraib via stripping them naked and piling them up atop of each other.

Sodomy is practiced against the inmates too in other prisons to break their honor.

[The Grand Nudger]

I was infantry, not a fobbit, not a pilot.  A bodysnatcher, lol.   Look, I don't care that you think I just don't understand..that's the clarion call of people who are either unwilling or incapable of elaborating on whatever it is that others just don't understand..and it's usually an excuse from criticism..as it so plainly is in your case each and every time you field it.

I do understand, I simply disagree. Can -you- understand -that-?

[mralstoner]

“Strong minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, weak minds discuss people.” -Socrates

I say let's discuss the ideology rather than the "person".

The person is the ideology, dimwit.

Exactly. There are 90 verses in the Koran that command Muslims to imitate Muhammad:

"Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day".

http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2008/12/be...nduct.html