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Sexuality, nudity, pornograophy and morality
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Sexuality, nudity, pornograophy and morality
The "breasts aren't porn" thread just got shut down, presumably because I showed a variety of images of nude/non-nude art, asking how people would define them.  I showed a picture of a statue with the god Pan fucking a goat. . . penis showing and all.  And I showed a picture of some kids at the beach in their birthday suits, smiling for the camera.

Any guesses which one was "art" and which one got the thread closed?


I'm very disappointed that thread was closed, since I was really carefully choosing comments and images to get at the essence of what is/isn't acceptable nudity.  I was pretty surprised how strongly one kind of nudity was supported, and others shut down.  I'd like to carry on with the subject; it's interesting to me BECAUSE it seems so touchy.

My view is this: if you see a picture of a child in a non-sexual situation (like my kids playing naked in the sprinkler in August) and you call it porn, this is a perversion of nature-- just as it would be if you saw a breastfeeding mother as a sexual object.  And to be honest, I wouldn't really have a problem with people viewing that picture, since I think it's perfectly innocent.  Sure, some screwball out in the internet might jerk off to it. . . but the same goes for images of my dog's shit or of my toenail clippings.

It seems to me the perversion isn't in the naked kids or the breast-exposed nursing mothers, or in the public location or the existence of images-- it's in the minds who see nudity as a sexual scenario.  In my opinion, there's real potential harm in this sexualization of non-sexual nudity: in almost all cases, oppression and repression lead to increases of violence and abuse.  Muslim countries, for example, have a ridiculous record of rape.  And I have to say I think America, with "Oh my God!  That second picture showed a KID!" probably has a much worse problem with pedophilia than say Rome did, or more liberal countries like Canada or most European countries.  I'm pretty sure if you had a dog-clothing requirement, that pervs all over the States would make dog-nudity sex clubs, and dogs would be found in shallow graves in the forest with signs of abuse, etc. etc.

I'm really curious on what basis people think nudity/sexuality SHOULD be viewed as obscence, and also where you think you got those views, whether you think they are reasonable, and whether you think the existence of those views in society will actually serve to protect the members of the society. And I'm ESPECIALLY interested to see if anyone is offended or mad at me or the images I posted in that other thread, and please tell me all about it.
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#2
RE: Sexuality, nudity, pornograophy and morality
Quote:And I showed a picture of some kids at the beach in their birthday suits, smiling for the camera.

They were naked. It's illegal and extremely inappropriate to post pictures of naked kids on the Internet.
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RE: Sexuality, nudity, pornograophy and morality
It's also illegal in most places Dodgy
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(June 28, 2016 at 9:38 pm)Losty Wrote: It's also illegal in most places Dodgy

That too.
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RE: Sexuality, nudity, pornograophy and morality
And maybe posting images of someone else's naked children for a bunch of internet strangers, might put the owner of the boards or the server at liability risk. It might make it harder to sell ads on the board, which is one of the ways we pay for said server, and it might just be against the fucking rules.
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RE: Sexuality, nudity, pornograophy and morality
(June 28, 2016 at 9:40 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: And maybe posting images of someone else's naked children for a bunch of internet strangers, might put the owner of the boards or the server at liability risk. It might make it harder to sell ads on the board, which is one of the ways we pay for said server, and it might just be against the fucking rules.

This.

While family pics of naked kids may be somewhat innocuous in the correct circumstances - like in family albums, and that sort of thing.  We not only have members viewing the board but many visitors as well.

And we've seen that some people, even some past members, are not exactly the wholesome sort.
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RE: Sexuality, nudity, pornograophy and morality
Even if everyone were wholesome I have no idea why the fuck anyone would think it's ok to post naked kids here. Or to post naked kids that aren't their kids anywhere. Ever.
(August 21, 2017 at 11:31 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: "I'm not a troll"
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RE: Sexuality, nudity, pornograophy and morality
Seriously, what part of "Pornographic content is not allowed. We consider pornographic content to be an explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity" is so fucking hard?

And children? You really needed to google that just to get your point across?
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RE: Sexuality, nudity, pornograophy and morality
(June 28, 2016 at 9:27 pm)bennyboy Wrote: I'm really curious on what basis people think nudity/sexuality SHOULD be viewed as obscence, and also where you think you got those views, whether you think they are reasonable, and whether you think the existence of those views in society will actually serve to protect the members of the society.  And I'm ESPECIALLY interested to see if anyone is offended or mad at me or the images I posted in that other thread, and please tell me all about it.

Wasn't involved in or following the other thread so I can't answer the latter questions.  But I agree that thinking about the defining differences of what is obscene/pornography vs natural-and/or-art is interesting.  You just can't have that conversation in pictures on a site/server for which you are not the one liable.  I don't have a lot of arrived at insights for such a conversation but I might find it interesting.
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RE: Sexuality, nudity, pornograophy and morality
I don't have any problem with naked kids. I don't have any problem with pictures of naked kids in a family album or even on fb in an album where only certain people can see. I have a huge problem with sharing pictures of naked kids that aren't yours and a huge problem with sharing a picture of naked kids on a public network of any kind even if they are your kids. I find it really disturbing.
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