Jefferson's Bible

[Drich]

It sounds like he wanted a quick reference to the teachings of Christ so as to have something to read at night.

You mean Jesus, right? As for your Christ, you might want to acquaint yourself with Jefferson's dim view of your boy, Paul.

I am well aware of Jeffersons thoughts on Christ as an Anglican. He followed what Anglicans believed. There is commentary concerning the 'jefferson bible.' that Jefferson cut out parts that could not otherwise be supported.. but again that is just commentary to try and push the atheism angle of Thomas Jefferson that He Himself spent much time and effort refuting. To the point of abandoning his efforts compiling his own literary work "the Philosphy/and the morals of Jesus Christ." recently renamed the "Jefferson bible".

[Drich]

By his own standards, maybe..Drich..but I doubt he ever A/S/Ked.....

What are you talking about everything mention here is apart of Asking...
1Thess 5:21 "Question all things and hold on to what is Good!"
This does not mean question only the questionable, this also means question the foundational, which includes everything you think you know about God and even if God is real and is 'good.' I did this very thing with an emphasis on Hell. God answered my questions. To me the jefferson quote following this is his version of what I did.. This is about of Ask and Seeking.

Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.

-Thomas Jefferson

You say you are a Calvinist. I am not. I am of a sect by myself, as far as I know.

-Thomas Jefferson
I can say the same thing here.. I am not a Calvinist, and while I do go to a given church I have not given myself over to it. I am a 'sect unto myself.' (or do you see alot of people say Roman catholics teaching what i teach?) Which again is exactly what Christianity is supposed to be about. In that we are to worship God with all of our being, this means this worship with vary from person to person. If Jefferson lived in a world with only a handful of 'sects' then it is possible his worship would not be like any other form.

And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors.

-Thomas Jefferson

Almost feel bad that we let him down on the last one, almost......slave-driving jesusite prick ,lol.  At least the superstitious beliefs of our current faithful provide them with plausible cover for the worst hobgoblins of their minds.

what makes me sick is how people like you are trying to rewrite History. Here are some other letters and thoughts of Jefferson and unlike you I will provide a legitmate link to back up my claims:
1803 April 21. (Jefferson to Benjamin Rush). "To the corruptions of Christianity I am indeed, opposed; but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself. I am a Christian, in the only sense in which he wished any one to be; sincerely attached to his doctrines, in preference to all others; ascribing to himself every human excellence; and believing he never claimed any other."10

1814 September 26. (Jefferson to Miles King). "I must ever believe that religion substantially good which produces an honest life, and we have been authorized by One whom you and I equally respect, to judge of the tree by its fruit. Our particular principles of religion are a subject of accountability to our God alone. I inquire after no man's, and trouble none with mine; nor is it given to us in this life to know whether your or mine, our friends or our foes, are exactly the right.

1816 January 9.  (Jefferson to Charles Thomson).  "I too have made a wee little book, from the same materials, which I call the Philosophy of Jesus. it is a paradigma of his doctrines, made by cutting the texts out of the book, and arranging them on the pages of a blank book, in a certain order of time or subject. a more beautiful or precious morsel of ethics I have never seen. it is a document in proof that I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus, very different from the Platonists, who call me infidel, and themselves Christians and preachers of the gospel, while they draw all their characteristic dogmas from what it’s Author never said nor saw. they have compounded from the heathen mysteries a system beyond the comprehension of man, of which the great reformer of the vicious ethics and deism of the Jews, were he to return on earth, would not recognise one feature. if I had time I would add to my little book the Greek, Latin and French texts, in columns side by side, and I wish I could subjoin a translation of Gassendi’s Syntagma of the doctrines of Epicurus, which, notwithstanding the calumnies of the Stoics, and caricatures of Cicero, is the most rational system remaining of the philosophy of the ancients, as frugal of vicious indulgence, and fruitful of virtue as the hyperbolical extravagancies of his rival sects."13

and then their your hacked up quote:
1823 April 11. (Jefferson to John Adams). "The truth is that the greatest enemies to the doctrines of Jesus are those calling themselves the expositors of them, who have perverted them for the structure of a system of fancy absolutely incomprehensible, and without any foundation in his genuine words. And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away all this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this the most venerated reformer of human errors."15

I bet if you felt like you let thomas Jefferson down before when you thought he was an atheist I bet you really let him down now knowing he is a christian and you misquoted him trying to make him look like an atheist!
It is the couple of sentence before you quote that tell what Jefferson is in disgust with... It is the interpretation of Christ being marketed through the religion of his day that Jefferson takes issue with. Not the idological worship of Christ or God. Jefferson simply did not trust the church's interpretation of the bible not did he agree with it's lack of answers..

Got to frame his belief in what was going on at the time. The reformation movement happened just on or two generations prior, which means he probably knew people who remember the shock and betrayal of finding out the R/C church via the latin vulgate was little more than a propaganda peice the church used to control people. that it had very little to do with what was actually written in the greek.. That for a 1000+ years the church hid the doctrines of the bible, and replaced them with their own papal decrees and doctrines.

It is with this same despondency and suspicion that men like jefferson approached the (new) church. they needed 'proof' that what they were being told could be backed by several sources. as they only had one codices to reference at the time, and because the ministers/church authority could not answer their questions.. much of what was said was taken with a grain of salt, by men who could see the power/abuse of power in the church.

But again despite this Jefferson remain and identified himself as a devout Christian.
https://www.monticello.org/site/research...15_7z8aoki

In all honesty If i were in Jefferson's situation I'd probably have come to the same limited conclusions based on the available data.

[Drich]

It sounds like he wanted a quick reference to the teachings of Christ so as to have something to read at night.

A "quick reference" guide to a 2000+ year old teaching.

Sounds silly, doesn't it?

ahhhh... No

Say you answer questions on Hell or the Ark quite a bit. Would it not be good to have a notebook with all the passages on the ark or Hell or whatever all in one place?

Jefferson was a student on the Morals and philosophy of Christ. So then in a time before study guides and google what he did (compile all the morality and philosophical teachings into one volume or in this case two) was what people did back then.

What cements this as a personal study r quick reference guide are the notes he hand wrote into the margins tying these passages together.
Which is why Jefferson did not call his work a bible or the "Jefferson bible."

[Lek]

That's what type of president we do need is someone like FDR and Jefferson to be honest someone that is not afraid to come out and say 
this superstitious belief is a load of shit but in all honesty it's the mindset of the people. This type of irrational belief set.. was just handed down
and no one really questioned it. People honestly belief the founding fathers were christian are so full of shit you can give them evidence they 
werent christians and will still say its lie and made up because the government/secular education is godless.

FDR was a committed christian and prayed during public addresses.  Check out his D-Day prayer.

http://docs.fdrlibrary.marist.edu/odddayp.html

[Minimalist]

You're no Bart Ehrman and you are no Thomas Jefferson, dripshit.



You're a scared little bullshit artist clinging to superstition.

[Spirian]

A "quick reference" guide to a 2000+ year old teaching.

Sounds silly, doesn't it?

ahhhh... No

Clue in dipshit. I responded to you in exactly the same manner as you responded to me... TWICE. 

You don't want to make valid points - you just want to be right.

After reading your bio I now understand why you behave in the obstinate way you do.

Now kindly go fuck a goat.

[Lek]

You're no Bart Ehrman and you are no Thomas Jefferson, dripshit.



You're a scared little bullshit artist clinging to superstition.

Why should I or anyone else base our beliefs on what Thomas Jefferson believed? That's just the way he saw it. He also had slaves and I don't agree with him on that either. If we were discussing slavery you'd be berating him like crazy.

[Minimalist]

Why do you do anything, Lek?  You believe in a dead jew coming back to life for your sins but Thomas Jefferson is too much for you?

Maybe you start with a mirror and figure yourself out?

[Lek]

Why do you do anything, Lek?  You believe in a dead jew coming back to life for your sins but Thomas Jefferson is too much for you?

Maybe you start with a mirror and figure yourself out?

He's not too much for me. I think he was a good president and a great founding father. I just don't look to him to determine my interpretation of the bible.

[Minimalist]

You probably should.  Even though when you dismiss all the jesus miracle shit what you are left with is standard-fare Hellenistic philosophy common at the time.