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Stuck In The Middle With You
July 3, 2016 at 5:25 pm
(This post was last modified: July 3, 2016 at 5:28 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
In the wake of the recent shooting, the senate has taken to it's halls to bicker away their final few days before a long, paid, break. Senate democrats say that reasonable doubt is too high a standard, senate republicans say that due process must be protected even in such a case. Where do you stand, AF?
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RE: Stuck In The Middle With You
July 3, 2016 at 5:27 pm
(July 3, 2016 at 5:25 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Where do you stand, AF?
That there are too many donations and well paying future jobs, after the political career, at stake to make a conscious decision.
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RE: Stuck In The Middle With You
July 3, 2016 at 5:31 pm
If only the republicunts cared so much about due process when it involved minority citizens.
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RE: Stuck In The Middle With You
July 3, 2016 at 5:31 pm
I have no idea what's going on here.
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RE: Stuck In The Middle With You
July 3, 2016 at 5:33 pm
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@Abaris/Min
Probably right. For my part, I think it's just another example of our one party system..in which group A would like to railroad a person without having to go through the trouble of charging and convicting them,...whereas group B would -also- like to railroad that same group of people but has been irritated enough in the past to remind the others that the reason they don't is due process.
(so, third option..then, Bella?)
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Stuck In The Middle With You
July 3, 2016 at 5:42 pm
(July 3, 2016 at 5:31 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: I have no idea what's going on here.
The republicunts want a 72 hour limitation on the bill that people on a terrorist watch list can't buy guns. They claim it is because of "due process" concerns but the fact is they don't want gun maker profits potentially delayed.
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RE: Stuck In The Middle With You
July 3, 2016 at 5:43 pm
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Our arms manufacturers turn their dimes on export, not domestic sales. The law doesn't apply to selling arms to terrorists (real or imagined) overseas, regardless. Just a thought.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Stuck In The Middle With You
July 3, 2016 at 5:44 pm
(July 3, 2016 at 5:33 pm)Rhythm Wrote: (so, third option..then, Bella?)
Min more or less summed it up for me, but I already voted for the third option. So yeah.
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RE: Stuck In The Middle With You
July 3, 2016 at 6:47 pm
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@Rhythm - I think it's a more complicated issue than what can be represented by the choices in your poll.
District of Columbia v Heller (2008) found that the US Constitution guarantees an individual right to keep and bear arms. We could argue the merit of the arguments pro and con in that case, but regardless it remains settled constitutional law. Furthermore as the decision came from the current court plus Scalia, it seems unlikely to be revisited any time soon. It seems even more unlikely that the second amendment would be repealed any time soon.
I think it's safe to assume that for the foreseeable future, gun control bills are going to be bound by that decision.
The question, in abstract becomes roughly - by what standard shall we use to deny by administrative action (i.e. without judicial oversight) a person of an individual right? If Congress decides on one standard, is that one standard then possibly applicable to any constitutionally guaranteed right?
Personally, I'm willing to accept a lesser standard with respect to the 2nd than I am to the 1st, 4th and 5th (to name a few).
The question is, can that be done constitutionally? I don't know the answer to that, and my answer to your question very much depends on what precedent such action sets for other individual rights being infringed by administrative action.
I don't know. I wish I did.
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RE: Stuck In The Middle With You
July 3, 2016 at 7:01 pm
There should be an appeals process once the suspect discovers that he is listed.
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