BLM Violent Hate Group

[Regina]

First off, if the percentage of blacks who are killed is the same as the percentage of whites who are killed, that's still a very disproportionate number of black people. Black people are only what, 10-15% of America? For there to be absolutely no racial bias in these killings, only 10-15% of police brutality victims should be black. It's far more than 15% going on the frequency of which we hear about it compared to whites being killed.

Also "black-on-black crime" is not a thing. When a black person kills another black person, it's wrong of course, but they're not killing eachother because they're black. Most murders are intraracial (within the same race) because of the generally segregated nature of American neighbourhoods. Most white murder victims are murdered by other white people, is that "white-on-white crime"? Nobody ever calls it that unless it's black people involved.

ETA pretty much what the guy in that video BQ posted earlier was saying, just saw that.

Black on black crime is a thing because it's very notable.  Black people are being killed at a higher rate than any other racial group in America relative to the size of their population.  Black people are the ones doing the majority of the murdering.

What do you expect though? Black people are significantly more likely than any other race to live in poverty in low-income neighbourhoods, deprived of opportunities and adequate facilities. Those conditions are breeding grounds for crime.

People don't address that though. It's easy to throw out crime statistics without ever taking context, historical legacies and socio-economic factors into account. People act like inner city crime issues happen in a vacuum, that it comes out of nowhere.  Ok you might not be wrong to point out that crime rates are higher among inner-city black people, but it's really asinine basically saying "oh these people just need to get it together" like that's a solution, when they simply aren't being given the resources and facilities (or reasonable policing by people who care about their community) to do so.

[Foxaèr]

Of course the whitey OP would consider BLM a hate group.

[Regina]

How very dare black people be outraged about police brutality, I mean how fucking entitled of them.

*sarcasm*

[paulpablo]

Black on black crime is a thing because it's very notable.  Black people are being killed at a higher rate than any other racial group in America relative to the size of their population.  Black people are the ones doing the majority of the murdering.

What do you expect though? Black people are significantly more likely than any other race to live in poverty in low-income neighbourhoods, deprived of opportunities and adequate facilities. Those conditions are breeding grounds for crime.

People don't address that though. It's easy to throw out crime statistics without ever taking context, historical legacies and socio-economic factors into account. People act like inner city crime issues happen in a vacuum, that it comes out of nowhere.  Ok you might not be wrong to point out that crime rates are higher among inner-city black people, but it's really asinine basically saying "oh these people just need to get it together" like that's a solution, when they simply aren't being given the resources and facilities (or reasonable policing by people who care about their community) to do so.

You said black on black crime is not a thing, I said it is a thing, now you're saying what do I expect?

I said it's a notable thing, not that there aren't any reasons for this notable thing one of which is most likely to some extent a level of poverty.

[A Theist]

....and you're dishonest. I never made any such claim that we should dislike people based on their skin color. You took my comment out of context from a reply I made to Homless Nutter when he suggested that an acceptable solution would be for the cops to "shoot a couple of white guys once in a while"....


Obviously, HN has an issue with whites, and since you didn't call him out for suggesting that the cops shoot a couple of white guys,  and "maybe a woman or two", I can only assume that you agree with his position. Is that something you agree with? Would that make things more equal for you?

With all due respect, horseshit.  Nutter's comment was clearly sarcasm - if you didn't pick up on that, you're a bigger fool than you look.  No one in their right mind would suggest that Nutter is advocating the killing of people, white or any other colour.  But YOU, ya gobshyte, clearly and without any attempt at sarcasm or irony, concluded that Nutter doesn't like 'white people'.

Nothing in my remarks was dishonest.  Your statement 'you don't like white people' can only be taken to mean that the colour of someone's skin is a factor in whether or not they should be liked.  Furthermore, you entire post is only about the number of white or black people killed, with no attempt to delve into WHY they are killed.

You disingenuousness is breathtaking.

Boru

Bullshit. Your remarks were dishonest and I don't give two shits whether or not HN's remarks were either sarcastic or serious. To suggest that one people of color should be shot by the police to make things equal to another people of color was inappropriate, sarcastic in content or not.  BLM is a fraud. They incite violence. There's nothing peaceful about them. Although that opinion may offend your pompous assed and self righteous pseudo sense of social justice it doesn't make me or anyone else who disagrees with BLM, racists. If there's any peaceful members within BLM maybe they should separate themselves from that group and start one of their own.

[Regina]

What do you expect though? Black people are significantly more likely than any other race to live in poverty in low-income neighbourhoods, deprived of opportunities and adequate facilities. Those conditions are breeding grounds for crime.

People don't address that though. It's easy to throw out crime statistics without ever taking context, historical legacies and socio-economic factors into account. People act like inner city crime issues happen in a vacuum, that it comes out of nowhere.  Ok you might not be wrong to point out that crime rates are higher among inner-city black people, but it's really asinine basically saying "oh these people just need to get it together" like that's a solution, when they simply aren't being given the resources and facilities (or reasonable policing by people who care about their community) to do so.

You said black on black crime is not a thing, I said it is a thing, now you're saying what do I expect?

I said it's a notable thing, not that there aren't any reasons for this notable thing one of which is most likely to some extent a level of poverty.

No I said "black-on-black crime" doesn't exist because a black person killing another black person is just murder, it's not racially-motivated "black-on-black" muder. You can argue that "black-n-black crime" is a thing if you want to, but you would then also have to accept "white-on-white crime" and "Hispanic-on-Hispanic crime" as legitimate terms too, which people never do.

I didn't say it's impossible for a black person to commit something which is a crime. The claims aren't mutually exclusive.

And ok then my post didn't apply to you. But it does apply to a lot of people who throw out these crime statistics as if just to say "oh black people again... get it together". It's ignorant and dismissive of the societal conditions that can lead these people into crime.

[paulpablo]

You said black on black crime is not a thing, I said it is a thing, now you're saying what do I expect?

I said it's a notable thing, not that there aren't any reasons for this notable thing one of which is most likely to some extent a level of poverty.

No I said "black-on-black crime" doesn't exist because a black person killing another black person is just murder, it's not racially-motivated "black-on-black" muder.

I didn't say it's impossible for a black person to commit something which is a crime. The claims aren't mutually exlusive.

And ok then my post didn't apply to you. But it does apply to a lot of people who throw out these crime statistics as if just to say "oh black people again... get it together". It's ignorant and dismissive of the societal conditions that can lead these people into crime.

To an extent I am saying they should get it together definitely.  Mostly towards young black males in America though, I said that in my previous posts that when you see men who are nearly at their mid 20s I definitely think it would be a good idea to stop going around with coloured rags on their head, forming gangs, getting gold teeth and shooting each other dead.

black on black murder is murder yes, no one is saying it's racially motivated.  The fact it's black on black crime pretty much guarantees that it isn't racially motivated unless it's under some circumstances I can't think of.
The reason why it's discussed more than white on white crime or white on white murder is because the rate of black on black crime and murder is so high and because it's a majority white country anyway.
If Asians began killing at the rate of black people while at the same time as starting an organization called "Asian lives matter" and shouting at black people, I'm sure black people and everyone else might be thinking something along the lines of "Well you are killing each other quite a bit"

Not that I think black lives matter is a hate group though either.

[Athene]

First off, if the percentage of blacks who are killed is the same as the percentage of whites who are killed, that's still a very disproportionate number of black people. Black people are only what, 10-15% of America? For there to be absolutely no racial bias in these killings, only 10-15% of police brutality victims should be black. It's far more than 15% going on the frequency of which we hear about it compared to whites being killed.

Also "black-on-black crime" is not a thing. When a black person kills another black person, it's wrong of course, but they're not killing eachother because they're black. Most murders are intraracial (within the same race) because of the generally segregated nature of American neighbourhoods. Most white murder victims are murdered by other white people, is that "white-on-white crime"? Nobody ever calls it that unless it's black people involved.

ETA pretty much what the guy in that video BQ posted earlier was saying, just saw that.

Black on black crime is a thing because it's very notable.  Black people are being killed at a higher rate than any other racial group in America relative to the size of their population.  Black people are the ones doing the majority of the murdering.

And just as I said in my previous post, people will call the police racist if they do solve the crime and catch the black people doing it and they will be called racist if they don't solve the crime and don't capture the black people doing it.

Was going to post a bit about the ridiculous premise of black on black crime, but Yeaxleux beat me to the punch. Figured you'd still run with it though, and you did NOT disappoint.

At any rate, crime committed by the general populace as a result of interpersonal relationships, affiliations, happenstance and sheer dumb luck, or whatever has nothing to do with the issue of brutality/murder leveled by those tasked with upholding the law, and operating under the authority of the government. 

These are entirely different matters. How can you not understand how ludicrous it sounds when you keep parroting the black on black mantra? You're presented with the prospect of the government sanctioning, or at least turning a blind eye to violence perpetrated by agents acting on their behalf, and your best and immediate response is:

"Yeah...But, remember that time Tyrone shot Pookie?" 

Give me a fucking break.

That makes sense to you? Really?

[paulpablo]

Black on black crime is a thing because it's very notable.  Black people are being killed at a higher rate than any other racial group in America relative to the size of their population.  Black people are the ones doing the majority of the murdering.

And just as I said in my previous post, people will call the police racist if they do solve the crime and catch the black people doing it and they will be called racist if they don't solve the crime and don't capture the black people doing it.

Was going to post a bit about the ridiculous premise of black on black crime, but Yeaxleux beat me to the punch. Figured you'd still run with it though, and you did NOT disappoint.

At any rate, crime committed by the general populace as a result of interpersonal relationships, affiliations, happenstance and sheer dumb luck, or whatever has nothing to do with the issue of brutality/murder leveled by those tasked with upholding the law, and operating under the authority of the government. 

These are entirely different matters. How can you not understand how ludicrous it sounds when you keep parroting the black on black mantra? You're presented with the prospect of the government sanctioning, or at least turning a blind eye to violence perpetrated by agents acting on their behalf, and your best and immediate response is:

"Yeah...But, remember that time Tyrone shot Pookie?" 

Give me a fucking break.

That makes sense to you? Really?

My guess is that the more interactions you have with the police the higher the chances of police brutality occurring.

Personally I'm not bringing black on black crime into the conversation for the sake of it just to say yeh but look at what black people do.

I'm saying one of the reasons behind an increased rate of police brutality against black people may be in part due to a higher crime, more instances of resisting arrest, and more violence against police from black people resulting in more interactions with the police that turn violent.

Just as a general trend, not to say that no instances of police racism exist or that no completely unprovoked instances of police brutality have never happened.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Bullshit. Your remarks were dishonest

Saying it over and over won't make it true, you know.

and I don't give two shits whether or not HN's remarks were either sarcastic or serious.

Then why did you say that the remarks indicate that HN didn't like white people? I'll save you the thinking and tell you why: You at first thought they were serious, but it's been pointed out to you that they were sarcasm. Since you're clearly not man enough to admit a mistake, you've take the 'I don't give a shit' tactic of the true coward.

To suggest that one people of color should be shot by the police to make things equal to another people of color was inappropriate, sarcastic in content or not.

No, the sarcasm is what makes it appropriate, you fuckwit.

BLM is a fraud. They incite violence.

You're wide of the mark there. They aren't a fraud, and they don't incite violence, they invite violence, which is what successful civil rights movements have always done. Study up.

There's nothing peaceful about them.

Really? I've seen vids of several of their demonstrations, and they looked pretty peaceful to me.

Although that opinion may offend your pompous assed and self righteous pseudo sense of social justice

First off, you aren't important enough to offend me. Secondly, I've been eyewitness to more incidents of social injustice than you've had hot dinners, so fuck directly off.

it doesn't make me or anyone else who disagrees with BLM, racists

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Ok, that bit I agree with - your opinions about BLM don't make you a racist. I'm sure you were a racist long before BLM became an uncomfortable reality for you.

If there's any peaceful members within BLM maybe they should separate themselves from that group and start one of their own.

It's funny how likely it is that you don't really how racist that sounds. Keep digging.

Boru