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Questions About the Big Bang
#11
RE: Questions About the Big Bang
(July 11, 2016 at 2:22 pm)Minimalist Wrote: http://science.howstuffworks.com/diction...theory.htm
Thanks. This guy really elucidated the big band. Maybe I can take this knowledge and better understand what Hawking was saying. If I could understand A Brief History of Time I could create my own honorary degree in lay cosmology.
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#12
RE: Questions About the Big Bang
Eludicated the big band?
Are you trying to jazz it up a little? :-)
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#13
RE: Questions About the Big Bang
(July 11, 2016 at 8:36 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote:
(July 11, 2016 at 2:19 pm)Alex K Wrote: The temperature and fluctuations of the cosmic microwave background, the cosmic redshift of supernovas, the structures found in large scale galaxy distributions and the abundance of light elements together give us enough data points to fix the age very precisely, and to be very certain that the universe was once hot and dense.
Remarkable. I’m reading about the CMB right now. So it seems that was your primordial soup of loose fermions and bosons that eventually combined into atoms. I wonder, is the CMB showing up in the red, i.e. moving away? And why is it called recombination, as if it had happened before?

I want to read further to get a better understanding of how the CMB is an “echo of the Big Bang.” So far, my lay conclusion is that the isotropic nature of the CMB supports Jonathan Strickland’s (author of Min’s link) statement that this was not an explosion.

I will look at the other things you listed, but not tonight. Going to bed, g’night. Sleep tight.

1. Oh yes! The CMB was once a 3000 centigrade hot yellow-white flash of light (because that's the temperature when recombination roughly starts), the fact that it is now a *Microwave*background rather than a bright yellow light coming from everywhere, tells us thaz it has been red shifted by a factor of 1100!

2. good point, I don't think the name "recombination" is very sensible

3. it wasn't an explosion because itis not stuff flying away from point (that wouldn't really explain why far away stuff seems to move away faster at such a precise relation). It is an expansion of a radiation and matter filled space.



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But again everyone, cosmic redshift is not a doppler shift. Doppler shift is proportional to the speed of the source and target at the points in time when the radiation was emitted and received. Cosmic redshift is the sum of all expansion that has happened during the light travelling - a very very different thing
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RE: Questions About the Big Bang
(July 12, 2016 at 2:27 am)Little lunch Wrote: Eludicated the big band?
Are you trying to jazz it up a little? :-)

The day will come when I will stop depending on spell check. But I wouldn't bet my last two dollars on that happening soon if I were you.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.

I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.

Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire

Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind.
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RE: Questions About the Big Bang
(July 12, 2016 at 2:52 am)Alex K Wrote:
(July 11, 2016 at 8:36 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: Remarkable. I’m reading about the CMB right now. So it seems that was your primordial soup of loose fermions and bosons that eventually combined into atoms.   I wonder, is the CMB showing up in the red, i.e. moving away? And why is it called recombination, as if it had happened before?

I want to read further to get a better understanding of how the CMB is an “echo of the Big Bang.” So far, my lay conclusion is that the isotropic nature of the CMB supports Jonathan Strickland’s (author of Min’s link) statement that this was not an explosion.

I will look at the other things you listed, but not tonight. Going to bed, g’night. Sleep tight.

1. Oh yes! The CMB was once a 3000 centigrade hot yellow-white flash of light (because that's the temperature when recombination roughly starts), the fact that it is now a *Microwave*background rather than a bright yellow light coming from everywhere, tells us thaz it has been red shifted by a factor of 1100!

2. good point, I don't think the name "recombination" is very sensible

3. it wasn't an explosion because itis not stuff flying away from point (that wouldn't really explain why far away stuff seems to move away faster at such a precise relation). It is an expansion of a radiation and matter filled space.



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But again everyone, cosmic redshift is not a doppler shift. Doppler shift is proportional to the speed of the source and target at the points in time when the radiation was emitted and received. Cosmic redshift is the sum of all expansion that has happened during the light travelling - a very very different thing

I’m trying to understand space as a thing that can expand like a rubber band. Perhaps I’m not understanding what you mean by “space.”

It would be easier to think that space invades matter and radiation, pushing it apart. It’s understandable that as objects move apart they will have less gravitational effect on one another, but inertia would still require some kind of force to account for acceleration. Could that force be vacuum energy outside the universe?

I wasn’t aware that there is a thing called the redshift. I just said red because that’s the color when things are moving away, as specified by the doppler effect.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.

I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.

Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire

Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind.
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