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Question?
#31
RE: Question?
(July 27, 2016 at 4:36 am)quip Wrote:
(July 26, 2016 at 9:42 pm)PETE_ROSE Wrote:  I have a quick question for my non theist compadres:  

If you discovered personally acceptable truth (whatever that may be for you) that the Christian God revealed in the bible was authentic, would you choose to serve and worship him?  If yes, why?  If no, feel free to elaborate as to why as well.  

Only by an objectively acceptable truth (whatever that would be) I would choose to worship such a being. It would be the only rational course of action.

Does this admission mean anything of significance to you?

Why would it be rational? Out of fear of what would happen if you don't?
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#32
RE: Question?
(July 26, 2016 at 11:17 pm)PETE_ROSE Wrote: I'm still here!  Got a little busy at work tonight.  Cannot help but notice some are getting hung up dissecting my question about what is truth and such.  I attempted to remove all ambiguity and pose the question flatly.   I often see reasoning to the effect that many dismiss Christianity due to lack of evidence.   I'm questioning who would follow and worship Christ if they knew Christianity and what it purports to be true.

It's still a fantasy.
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#33
RE: Question?
If, somehow, I knew with absolutely 100% conviction it was true I would then ask whether hell existed. If he told me it did, then I suppose I'd pretend to worship him just to avoid eternal damnation. Then again, you can't trust him - he'd probably be lying. Ah, to hell with it, no - I wouldn't worship him...
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#34
RE: Question?
Exactly. Trust someone who is prepared to torture people? No way.

I wouldn't trust someone who wants me to beg for my supper either.

The whole idea of a "god" caring about anything we do is ludicrous.
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#35
RE: Question?
(July 26, 2016 at 11:17 pm)PETE_ROSE Wrote: I'm still here!  Got a little busy at work tonight.  Cannot help but notice some are getting hung up dissecting my question about what is truth and such.  I attempted to remove all ambiguity and pose the question flatly.   I often see reasoning to the effect that many dismiss Christianity due to lack of evidence.
Because it -can- be dismissed due to a lack of evidence.  

Quote: I'm questioning who would follow and worship Christ if they knew Christianity and what it purports to be true.
Then there's no need for evidence, and evidence is irrelevant.  A simpler, and more accurate way to ask the question would have been:

"Irrespective of it's truth, do you agree with the message of christianity?"

Conveniently for you, people answered the question you meant to ask.
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#36
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Hmm, as I said in another thread, if he existed as his biblically accurate self, I'd just nuke the hell out of him. No harm in trying right?
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#37
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(July 27, 2016 at 6:21 am)robvalue Wrote:
(July 27, 2016 at 4:36 am)quip Wrote: Only by an objectively acceptable truth (whatever that would be) I would choose to worship such a being. It would be the only rational course of action.

Does this admission mean anything of significance to you?

Why would it be rational? Out of fear of what would happen if you don't?

Similar to the popular consequence of not running around with scissors...exception being an eternal component has been added into the mix.
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#38
RE: Question?
(July 26, 2016 at 9:42 pm)PETE_ROSE Wrote: If you discovered personally acceptable truth (whatever that may be for you) that the Christian God revealed in the bible was authentic, would you choose to serve and worship him?  If yes, why?  If no, feel free to elaborate as to why as well.  

If Christianity, were revealed to me as the TRUTH, I'd be a bit saddened to realize that I was pawn in an ancient pissing contest/power struggle. It's one that I'd just as soon not be involved in, as it seems that gathering numbers and obedience appears to be the primary focus and objective of your god, and depressingly little else; Not exactly inspiring, IMO. 

Unfortunately, your God's apparent fear and insecurity wouldn't allow for the option of being uninvolved, so I suppose I probably would give serious consideration to "getting in line" in order to avoid being subjected to torment brutal and extensive beyond imagination.

However, if I were confident that the torment of Hell was finite, I imagine I'd be quite tempted to take my chances there in hopes of just being done with everything at some point.
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#39
RE: Question?
There would be no point in worshiping god, because even if I did so out of self-preservation, he would know that I really thought he was a dick and was only trying to save my soul. So, since I would be damned no matter what, the first thing I would do if I found out Christianity was true would be to find out what kind of wicked super powers Satan could give me in exchange for my soul.
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#40
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The problem is that even if Christianity (or any religion) was "true", it still seems to have zero impact on life as we know it. It would just amount to knowing what arbitrary rules were being used to grade our lives.
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