What would evidence of a God even look like?

[RozKek]

Before we try to find evidence for a god, we need to figure out how the metaphysical can interact with the physical. Makes no sense to me. And if god is physical, then surely we'd find signs of him. If god is physical, then he's deterministic and completely predictable. If not, then he's random, and I don't see a god in any of those options. In other words, god doesn't seem physically possible.

And you think what you are made off and walking around on is "physical"?  It's 99.999999999% empty space occupied by the movement of an extremely tiny amount of physical matter.

If God is 100% physical, He would be made of quark matter, pure matter with no space unoccupied by it. It would be an almighty, all-consuming fire compared to atomic matter.

I haven't read much about the empty space, I will look into it. However, goodluck proving that god and how that empty matter somehow translates into a conscious, sentient being.

Edit: And still, the universe is either fully or partly deterministic, that means that this god is predictable. What a god!

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And you think what you are made off and walking around on is "physical"?  It's 99.999999999% empty space occupied by the movement of an extremely tiny amount of physical matter.

If God is 100% physical, He would be made of quark matter, pure matter with no space unoccupied by it. It would be an almighty, all-consuming fire compared to atomic matter.

I haven't read much about the empty space, I will look into it. However, goodluck proving that god and how that empty matter somehow translates into a conscious, sentient being.

Edit: And still, the universe is either fully or partly deterministic, that means that this god is predictable. What a god!

Yeah look into it Roz, its between your ears.

[RozKek]

I haven't read much about the empty space, I will look into it. However, goodluck proving that god and how that empty matter somehow translates into a conscious, sentient being.

Edit: And still, the universe is either fully or partly deterministic, that means that this god is predictable. What a god!

Yeah look into it Roz, its between your ears.

I will kick you in the nuts.

[Excited Penguin]

Before we try to find evidence for a god, we need to figure out how the metaphysical can interact with the physical. Makes no sense to me. And if god is physical, then surely we'd find signs of him. If god is physical, then he's deterministic and completely predictable. If not, then he's random, and I don't see a god in any of those options. In other words, god doesn't seem physically possible.

Edit: The idea that the universe itself is God, it doesn't make sense to me. It still stands that he's either completely predictable or has a bit of randomness (but still deterministic and predictable in bigger scales). That doesn't seem godlike to me.

Him being the universe takes the whole God thing down a notch. It doesn't make anymore sense to worship it. It's completely fine, as well as being the only logical conclusion to draw in the end when considering the possibility of a world creating deity.

A god either made the universe while being part of a larger universe, or is the Universe. If he is the universe, then theists are merely confused about semantics. 

There's no need to pray to the Universe, though I might be more forgiving of religion if it raised temples for Nature instead of for imaginary humanoid figures. 

The Universe just is. Call it whatever you like, I guess, as long as you don't consider it to be anything else than what it is, and to call it God, seems to do just that, namely to undervalue the grandeur of the Cosmos.

Nothing can be greater than the Cosmos, so a God is either a part of it or is merely synonymous with it.

Returning to my earlier train of thought, the other possible inference one could possibly make about a God is that it was part of a different Universe prior to creating this one. In that scenario, we're talking about a programmer God, in a wide sense. That's certainly possible that we live in a simulation that was created by someone else in a reality probably forever closed to us, but in that case it makes no difference. Unless this programmer actually created us and is intent on making direct contact with the characters within its simulation one day(us) --- Great idea for a movie BTW ---, you might as well forget about the whole thing. Unless and until shown otherwise, atheism is the only, the only sensible position one can take.

[RozKek]

Before we try to find evidence for a god, we need to figure out how the metaphysical can interact with the physical. Makes no sense to me. And if god is physical, then surely we'd find signs of him. If god is physical, then he's deterministic and completely predictable. If not, then he's random, and I don't see a god in any of those options. In other words, god doesn't seem physically possible.

Edit: The idea that the universe itself is God, it doesn't make sense to me. It still stands that he's either completely predictable or has a bit of randomness (but still deterministic and predictable in bigger scales). That doesn't seem godlike to me.

Him being the universe takes the whole God thing down a notch. It doesn't make anymore sense to worship it. It's completely fine, as well as being the only logical conclusion to draw in the end when considering the possibility of a world creating deity.

A god either made the universe while being part of a larger universe, or is the Universe. If he is the universe, then theists are merely confused about semantics. 

There's no need to pray to the Universe, though I might be more forgiving of religion if it raised temples for Nature instead of for imaginary humanoid figures. 

The Universe just is. Call it whatever you like, I guess, as long as you don't consider it to be anything else than what it is, and to call it God, seems to do just that, namely to undervalue the grandeur of the Cosmos.

Nothing can be greater than the Cosmos, so a God is either a part of it or is merely synonymous with it.

Returning to my earlier train of thought, the other possible inference one could possibly make about a God is that it was part of a different Universe prior to creating this one. In that scenario, we're talking about a programmer God, in a wide sense. That's certainly possible that we live in a simulation that was created by someone else in a reality probably forever closed to us, but in that case it makes no difference. Unless this programmer actually created us and is intent on making direct contact with the characters within its simulation one day(us) --- Great idea for a movie BTW ---, you might as well forget about the whole thing. Unless and until shown otherwise, atheism is the only, the only sensible position one can take.

Yeah, but that other universe god is just an idea pulled out of thin air like all other gods, that's a strong reason for me to not believe in it at all. I won't even consider its possibility, but at the same time I don't say it's literally a 0% chance that it's true. But even that programmer god, if it's physical, then as far as we know it's either deterministic or partially deterministic and that doesn't seem like a god to me. The universe being a sentient being that for some reason has feelings, thoughts and cares about humans? Sounds like bullshit and a fairy tale.

[Esquilax]

And you think what you are made off and walking around on is "physical"?  It's 99.999999999% empty space occupied by the movement of an extremely tiny amount of physical matter.

... Yes, and that specific arrangement of empty space and matter is what we call "physical reality." That is how we have defined that: simply laying it out in greater detail doesn't separate it from its definition.

In fact, the empty space itself is still physical, since we don't define the physical world simply by whether or not it has stuff occupying it. For example, the space between the walls in my house is still physical space, it's not metaphysical. Hell, even the vacuum of space is still physical space, not metaphysical.

[Arkilogue]

And you think what you are made off and walking around on is "physical"?  It's 99.999999999% empty space occupied by the movement of an extremely tiny amount of physical matter.

If God is 100% physical, He would be made of quark matter, pure matter with no space unoccupied by it. It would be an almighty, all-consuming fire compared to atomic matter.

I haven't read much about the empty space, I will look into it. However, goodluck proving that god and how that empty matter somehow translates into a conscious, sentient being.

Edit: And still, the universe is either fully or partly deterministic, that means that this god is predictable. What a god!

Empty matter? I was taking about full matter, pure matter as an infinite vibratory body, before the opening of universal void space.

Architects who build houses to code are predictable...if they are not, the house does not last.

Why are people stuck in thinking about God as a personality? Because we are the filter of our own conceptions...until we learn to filter ourselves out.


I've worked out a completely deterministic metaverse that makes infinite "fine-tuned" universes by pure geometric self limitation. They are the image, the finite quanta of a substantial infinite God.

[RozKek]

I haven't read much about the empty space, I will look into it. However, goodluck proving that god and how that empty matter somehow translates into a conscious, sentient being.

Edit: And still, the universe is either fully or partly deterministic, that means that this god is predictable. What a god!

Empty matter?  I was taking about full matter, pure matter as an infinite vibratory body, before the opening of universal void space.

Architects who build houses to code are predictable...if they are not, the house does not last.

Why are people stuck in thinking about God as a personality? Because we are the filter of our own conceptions...until we learn to filter ourselves out.


I've worked out a completely deterministic metaverse that makes infinite "fine-tuned" universes by pure geometric self limitation.  They are the image, the finite quanta of a substantial infinite God.

What is this full, pure matter you're talking about? Sounds like shit pulled out of your ass. 

Ahh, so you agree god is predictable and in other words deterministic, that means your god has no free will.

Everything you're saying sounds like a bad LSD trip, there's no evidence nor logic to support what you're saying.

Really? Go and collect your nobel prize then :V

[Arkilogue]

And you think what you are made off and walking around on is "physical"?  It's 99.999999999% empty space occupied by the movement of an extremely tiny amount of physical matter.

... Yes, and that specific arrangement of empty space and matter is what we call "physical reality." That is how we have defined that: simply laying it out in greater detail doesn't separate it from its definition.

In fact, the empty space itself is still physical, since we don't define the physical world simply by whether or not it has stuff occupying it. For example, the space between the walls in my house is still physical space, it's not metaphysical. Hell, even the vacuum of space is still physical space, not metaphysical.

Agreed, but the contrast is important. It is like calling a bubble made of steel, "steel" whereas a solid sphere is much more steely.

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Empty matter?  I was taking about full matter, pure matter as an infinite vibratory body, before the opening of universal void space.

Architects who build houses to code are predictable...if they are not, the house does not last.

Why are people stuck in thinking about God as a personality? Because we are the filter of our own conceptions...until we learn to filter ourselves out.


I've worked out a completely deterministic metaverse that makes infinite "fine-tuned" universes by pure geometric self limitation.  They are the image, the finite quanta of a substantial infinite God.

What is this full, pure matter you're talking about? Sounds like shit pulled out of your ass. 

Ahh, so you agree god is predictable and in other words deterministic, that means your god has no free will.

Everything you're saying sounds like a bad LSD trip, there's no evidence nor logic to support what you're saying.

Really? Go and collect your nobel prize then :V

Aka QCD matter aka quark matter aka quark-gluon soup: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quark–gluon_plasma.

God has a predictable physical component, just like you....your body does not morph as you will it. God has a self willed energetic component, just like you.....who knows what you are going to say, or who you are going to grow into being.

Why would discovering that God is bio-geometrically responsible for the procreation of infinite universes as finite expression of self awareness that is a regular and repeated pattern??? It's like being horrified that human's give birth to other humans instead of random animals and other creatures by random DNA aggregation.

Stick around, maybe it's in other threads I'm responding to.

I have to publish first and I have to refine my delivery before that. What do you think I'm doing here?

[Esquilax]

... Yes, and that specific arrangement of empty space and matter is what we call "physical reality." That is how we have defined that: simply laying it out in greater detail doesn't separate it from its definition.

In fact, the empty space itself is still physical, since we don't define the physical world simply by whether or not it has stuff occupying it. For example, the space between the walls in my house is still physical space, it's not metaphysical. Hell, even the vacuum of space is still physical space, not metaphysical.

Agreed, but the contrast is important.  It is like calling a bubble made of steel, "steel" whereas a solid sphere is much more steely.

Which is an inapt comparison, because you're making a distinction between steel and the space inside the bubble that doesn't apply in discussions of "empty" space as physical. In the case of matter, that empty space is still, itself, physical. A much more accurate comparison would be the difference between a solid steel ball and a hollow steel ball that has been filled with molten steel; we're talking about different forms of the same basic thing, not different things entirely.