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RE: Islam scientific miracles again
August 22, 2016 at 12:19 am
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(August 22, 2016 at 12:13 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: (August 22, 2016 at 12:04 am)huss97ein Wrote: Bro i know it's stupid as an idea but I don think its even real as I know that the number of joints is not fix in a human.
To be honest some of thes joints are not even visible to be joints like sutures and hyoid cartilage so it's bewildering how they got the number 360 and why is it used in modern communities even so it's not exact !!
How they got the number? Do you think human corpses just poofed into nonexistence once they died?
They opened a dead guy up and counted. Not exactly rocket science. I don't think that's the case I think it's just a random number and these scientific miracles claimers are lying because 360 is a big number we only have 206 bones ! As an enfant 300 so how can we have 360 joints I don't get it ? And why these scientific communities are supporting this nonsense?
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RE: Islam scientific miracles again
August 22, 2016 at 12:26 am
Occam's razor dude.
The simplest explanation is likely the correct one.
There are only 360 joints in the human body if you loosen the definition of joint to be something along the lines of "where two bones touch."
For example you have a several plates of bone in your skull, would you consider where they meet to be a joint? Are all of the connections in the metatarsals and metacarpals considered joints? If so you can get there.
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RE: Islam scientific miracles again
August 22, 2016 at 12:32 am
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(August 22, 2016 at 12:26 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: Occam's razor dude.
The simplest explanation is likely the correct one.
There are only 360 joints in the human body if you loosen the definition of joint to be something along the lines of "where two bones touch."
For example you have a several plates of bone in your skull, would you consider where they meet to be a joint? Are all of the connections in the metatarsals and metacarpals considered joints? If so you can get there. Yes that what they did they even considered the connections in the throat to be joints and the sternal connections as well .
The number being fixed in all humans is ridiculous to be honest we don't even have the same number of coccyx vertebrates !
So why do I find this in the Internet ![[Image: 826f62e5f8a9e00dab1a542fb92b906d.jpg]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20160822%2F826f62e5f8a9e00dab1a542fb92b906d.jpg)
And why the first thing that pops up into my face when I write the number of joints on Google is this Hadith??!!
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RE: Islam scientific miracles again
August 22, 2016 at 12:34 am
Well, I've already answered question #1.
Question #2's answer is obvious. Google's search engine is optimized for you. So if you have been looking at hadiths and Quran "miracles," of course it's going to show you more of what you've been looking for.
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RE: Islam scientific miracles again
August 22, 2016 at 12:36 am
(August 22, 2016 at 12:34 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: Well, I've already answered question #1.
Question #2's answer is obvious. Google's search engine is optimized for you. So if you have been looking at hadiths and Quran "miracles," of course it's going to show you more of what you've been looking for. Try it lol I don't look for hadiths nor miracles [FACE WITH TEARS OF JOY]
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RE: Islam scientific miracles again
August 22, 2016 at 12:39 am
I did, I get a Quora article as my first result, because I am a member there.
I searched "How many joints are in the human body."
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RE: Islam scientific miracles again
August 22, 2016 at 12:43 am
(August 22, 2016 at 12:39 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: I did, I get a Quora article as my first result, because I am a member there.
I searched "How many joints are in the human body." This one ?
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RE: Islam scientific miracles again
August 22, 2016 at 1:20 am
(August 21, 2016 at 11:55 pm)huss97ein Wrote: (August 21, 2016 at 11:42 pm)ScienceAf Wrote: Hadtihs were written after the quran as an interpretation.
All hadiths are basically forgeries like the modern bible.
The real bible is the ingel but no one reads that. Yes you're right but the sunnies believe in bukhari and muslim hadiths just like the Quran they believe in sanad to be flawless.
So this Hadith is authentic to them .
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RE: Islam scientific miracles again
August 22, 2016 at 1:31 am
I always have the same answer to this.
Let's say they knew something that it seems unlikely they would know. What does that tell us about how they knew it?
Nothing. It tells us nothing about how they knew it. The source is a further claim, which requires its own evidence. Saying its "from God" or whatever is just the argument from ignorance (you can't prove me wrong so I'm right).
As it happens, they didn't know anything surprising. They knew what you'd expect a bunch of people back then to know, and the rest is people feverishly retrofitting later scientific discoveries.
And also... one section of a book being true does not imply the whole book is true either. Even if that bit was inspired by a deity.
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RE: Islam scientific miracles again
August 22, 2016 at 3:42 am
I can't help myself but to wonder if disecting dead people and analyzing their insides would've been a relatively common practice, even prior to our date.
Isn't that what the Egyptians were kind of famous for?
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I mean, with all the death, wars and disease, surely someone must've seized the opportunity and actually opened a body of a diseased person?
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