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The unmoved mover
#21
RE: The unmoved mover
(September 23, 2016 at 4:32 pm)fdesilva Wrote:
(September 23, 2016 at 3:51 pm)LastPoet Wrote: Therefore god?

Not yet, just getting you guys prepared.

Prepare us by first proving an object of infinite mass or a source of infinite energy... and please don't say god. That is a finite word only.
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#22
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You're committing one of the most common mistakes people make when making comparisons - you're using a word (mover) in two fundamentally different ways.  You're going from the use of "move" in the context of the motion of bodies in a space to the use of "move" as a metaphor for "create."  It just doesn't work - not even close.  If you want to use this trick you have to be more subtle.
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#23
RE: The unmoved mover
(September 23, 2016 at 4:32 pm)fdesilva Wrote: Not yet, just getting you guys prepared.

For what? The rapture?
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#24
RE: The unmoved mover
(September 23, 2016 at 3:51 pm)LastPoet Wrote: If you had an infinite source of energy you can keep taking as much energy out and it will still remain infinite. That is it remains unchanged.

Ok, let's grant all that for your "if". And..?

And if not - what then?

What is your point?
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#25
RE: The unmoved mover
(September 23, 2016 at 1:51 am)fdesilva Wrote: Consider jumping on a trampoline. You move a lot and so does the trampoline.  
Jumping on the floor you move the floor not.
Consider the Moon going round the earth. The earth’s  gravity keeps the moon going round while the moons gravity has noticeable effects on the earth like causing tides.
However take  a man made satellite going round the earth.  The earth is able to move it round and round, but the satellite will hardly ever effect the earth.
So if one body is of a much greater mass than another then you have an unmoved mover.
Suppose something was of infinite mass then anything of finite mass would be moved by it but itself will be unmoved.

I thought that angels pushed the planets in their orbits.
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#26
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Waitaminute. Weren't all you god botherers just recently saying an actual infinity is impossible?
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#27
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(September 23, 2016 at 4:30 pm)fdesilva Wrote:
(September 23, 2016 at 5:10 am)Alex K Wrote: If God has infinite mass, he also exerts infinite gravity and crushes everything into pulp.
Sounds about right!
Alternatively He could make you fly as fast as light

Actually, he could not. Since E=mc^2, then the the speed of light would be square root of energy divided by an infinite mass. I'm no mathematician, but I'm pretty sure that any finite quantity divided by infinity is also infinite, so we're left with the untenable position than a known finite quantity is infinite.

I think.

Boru
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#28
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(September 23, 2016 at 5:50 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Waitaminute.  Weren't all you god botherers just recently saying an actual infinity is impossible?

Is that you in that picture?
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#29
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(September 23, 2016 at 5:52 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(September 23, 2016 at 4:30 pm)fdesilva Wrote: Alternatively He could make you fly as fast as light

Actually, he could not. Since E=mc^2, then the  the speed of light would be square root of energy divided by an infinite mass. I'm no mathematician, but I'm pretty sure that any finite quantity divided by infinity is also infinite, so we're left with the untenable position than a known finite quantity is infinite.

I think.

Boru

It would be an infinitesimal:

http://www.vias.org/calculus/01_real_and...05_06.html
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#30
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(September 23, 2016 at 6:30 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Is that you in that picture?

In my signature? No, that's just a whimsical picture which I liked.
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