Supernatural Evidence?

[Huggy Bear]

No need to "roll that beautiful bean footage", I'm about to have new footage of you making a fool of yourself.

It is ancient knowledge that your body perform better in an alkaline state.  There is a man who has been  curing Aids since 1984.

Look up Dr. Sebi, who just mysteriously died in prison (arrested for carrying 37k in cash) recently

https://youtu.be/qF5FFzj2xL8

I should add that he was taken to court for practicing without a license, he won the case because it was found that he actually did cure people.

I'm on my phone because I'm out of town atm so you're going to have to look it up for yourself.

Two minutes on the net shows Sebi 'won' his case, not because he was actually curing people (for which there is no medical evidence btw), but that he wasn't actually practicing medicine - he did not make diagnosis (that was done by actual doctors, with actual medical qualifications) and flogged herbal supplements not medicines. He was however successfully sued and banned from claiming his supplements cured the diseases he claimed they did.

Seriously Huggy?

Mind stating your source? I have a hunch where you got that information, but post it for for the record please.

[ukatheist]

Two minutes on the net shows Sebi 'won' his case, not because he was actually curing people (for which there is no medical evidence btw), but that he wasn't actually practicing medicine - he did not make diagnosis (that was done by actual doctors, with actual medical qualifications) and flogged herbal supplements not medicines. He was however successfully sued and banned from claiming his supplements cured the diseases he claimed they did.

Seriously Huggy?

Mind stating your source? I have a hunch where you got that information, but post it for for the record please.

Initial source:

http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/sebi.html

Also on wiki.

Corroborating info:

Newspaper report on criminal case:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ytr...asic?hl=en

Report mentioning civil case:

http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/sebi/nyag_testimony.pdf

Consent agreement is also found online, but can't work out how to link to it.

Perhaps you in turn can link to scientific/medical studies that demonstrate that his 'treatment' actually cured anything.

[ukatheist]

I should add that I cannot link to the actual supreme court ruling as it was in the 80's, and only rulings from the 2000's onwards are online.

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[Huggy Bear]

Initial source:

http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/sebi.html

Also on wiki.

Corroborating info:

Newspaper report on criminal case:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ytr...asic?hl=en

Report mentioning civil case:

http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/sebi/nyag_testimony.pdf

Consent agreement is also found online, but can't work out how to link to it.

Perhaps you in turn can link to scientific/medical studies that demonstrate that his 'treatment' actually cured anything.

I thought that was the link you were referring to, don't you find it the least bit strange that this website is calling him a quack just after he dies and can't defend himself?

Now that you provided your sources, I will address your post.

Two minutes on the net shows Sebi 'won' his case, not because he was actually curing people (for which there is no medical evidence btw), but that he wasn't actually practicing medicine - he did not make diagnosis (that was done by actual doctors, with actual medical qualifications) and flogged herbal supplements not medicines.

You're about to find out why Rhythm was so reluctant to challenge me on this point.

The newspaper article that you linked (https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ytr...edit?hl=en) states

"In a historical decision in Brooklyn Supreme Court Monday, a jury of six men and six women found Alfredo Bowman not guilty on two counts of practicing medicine without a license."

Why would someone being found not guilty of practicing medicine without a license be referred to as a " historical decision? Based on sources that I found corroborated by same Journalist from the aforementioned article, he was charged with one count of false advertisement and one count of practicing medicine without a license;

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1e7xh...edit?hl=en

On February 10, 1987, Attorney General Robert Abrams called for the arrest of Wilfredo Bowman, popularly known as Dr. Sebi following claims he made in the AmNews and the Village Voice that he could cure AIDS.

Beating the count of false advertisement, would indeed make for an historic decision...

Furthermore the article states:

Harry Dickson, Roger Marshall, Naimah Fuller, Zadia Ife and Karen Selby, witnesses for the defense, unequivocally testified to their improved health as a result of USHA’s dietary program.

*emphasis mine*

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/defini...nequivocal

unequivocal
adjective

      Leaving no doubt; unambiguous.

Dr. Sebi speaking of the case, stating he had to provide proof of healing in court.

He was however successfully sued and banned from claiming his supplements cured the diseases he claimed they did.

Seriously Huggy?

Yes Sebi was sued in a CIVIL case (which I don't suppose I have to tell you requires far less evidence than a criminal case) and even then the suit was not successful as you claim.

From your other link: http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/sebi/nyag_testimony.pdf (Which is a congressional hearing, not a court case) on page 108 it states:

A particularly glaring example of unsubstantiated therapeutic claims made for herbal supplements occurred a few years ago when the USHA Herbal Research Institute, run by a self-styled nutritionist calling himself "Dr. Sebi," advertised in the Village Voice and the Amsterdam News that "AIDS HAS BEEN CURED" by USHA and that they also specialize in cures for Leukemia, sickle cell anemia, herpes, lupus and other diseases. For an initial fee of $500 and $80 for each additional visit, patients were told they could be cured of AIDS and other diseases. The "cures" consisted of various herbal products, for each of which USHA made therapeutic claims. Eva Therapeutic Salve, for example, was referred to in USHA's brochure as . . .

"very effective on major skin problems, in prenatal use, against poor circulation, cancer, cysts, hemorrhoids and arthritis."

In fact, these claims were false. Our office filed suit against USHA and entered a consent agreement under which USHA can no longer make therapeutic claims for any of its products"

A consent agreement means there was a settlement with no admission of guilt or liability between the two parties. Sebi only had to pay out 900 dollars in court fees, so how do you figure the suit was a success? 

Furthermore If the claims were false as Assistant Attorney General stated, why couldn't they get a ruling IN A CIVIL COURT, where the burden of proof is much more lenient?

This is where you need to use those critical thinking skills you atheists claim you have...

[The Grand Nudger]

I think anyone can see why I'm reluctant to "challenge" you on any point that I don't think will be worth a few extra laughs, lol.  It's not like I have to, you deliver anyway. In my experience, interrupting you in any way reduces the amount of lols I can squeeze from you.

[Huggy Bear]

I think anyone can see why I'm reluctant to "challenge" you on any point that I don't think will be worth a few extra laughs, lol.  It's not like I have to, you deliver anyway.  In my experience, interrupting you in any way reduces the amount of lols I can squeeze from you.

You're reluctant to challenge me because you've already been made to look like an utter fool, hence why you will no longer commit to any debate. One would think if you had the opportunity to prove me wrong you of all people would jump at the chance...

Like I said, you're a straight up coward.

Bees, btw...all have 2 parents. They reproduce sexually.........

Lols indeed...

[FatAndFaithless]

I love how Huggy keeps saved quotes from months years ago like trap cards to pull in an argument. Even when person in said quote has already conceded a mistake or misunderstanding.

[The Grand Nudger]

"I was right about something once"  Yeah, we know.  Been awhile though, hasn't it, lol..and I'd caution you as to declaring who..you being right about something, made a fool of. I had no problem being wrong, but the thing you don't like to recollect is that figurng that out also tanked your entire argument for god based upon numerology. Haven;t heard you throw your weight around on that one in awhile, have we? You seemed awfully certain, beforehand, that you were onto something. It;s unlikely that you;d still think you were right about that and let it go...because, well, Hugster, we kind of know you by now.

Cure for cancer, cure for aids? Don't let me get in your way....tell us all about it. Matter of fact, do you have any other strange beliefs you'd like to share? Here's your chance..I'm not even going to waste time in disagreement, lol.

[Huggy Bear]

I love how Huggy keeps saved quotes from months years ago like trap cards to pull in an argument.  Even when person in said quote has already conceded a mistake or misunderstanding.

I assure you there would be more recent examples if Rhythm wasn't so scared of actually debating.

[The Grand Nudger]

What's all this bullshit about me about?  I thought you were talking about a cure for cancer, a cure for aids?  I think that's probably more interesting or important than any nemesis fetish you have about me.