Proof of the guidance of Mohammad and Ali.

[Mystic]

Most Muslims don't accept this, but you think a forum full of atheists will be convinced.

I don't think a forum full of Atheists will be convinced.

[Cato]

So just an exercise in futility then.

[robvalue]

I feel that most threads made by theists on here are attempts to make themselves feel better about their beliefs.

Just my opinion.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

So this thread isn't about Muhammad Ali at all, is it?

Stole my thunder. I was about to post, 'You can find YouTube videos of Muhammad Ali giving people "guidance" to the canvas.'

Boru

[purplepurpose]

If theist seeks ideal lifestyle of doing good things under the guidance of religion, I think that's cool as long as that person instead of drinking that "bitter drink" of religious practice doesnt tries to offer it to others to ease his sad mood.

God is an ass if he lets religious groups like catholics to spend their fucking life's in fear of Eternal hell and forced servitude because of the said fear.

[Mystic]

I feel that most threads made by theists on here are attempts to make themselves feel better about their beliefs.

Just my opinion.

You are not far off. In my case, I am testing to see what the rebuttals will be. When it's we don't have objective value or there is no objective moral facts or anything like that, I feel satisfied, the argument is valid, the premises follow, and the only thing left is to deny essential things which I've discussed before in other threads and feel is foundation knowledge of every human being.

That said, when now proving Islam,  if it all comes down to saying, "No an ultimate being is no less worthy of worship if he creates a system in which he doesn't guide human beings....", then I do feel satisfied.  Of course, I will try to refute my own reasoning aside from Atheists trying to, but I feel it's robust and the arguments I put forth here are strong.

[brewer]

All of this and not one mention of Angelo Dundee, What's the use?

[Edwardo Piet]

I will begin to say, given God exists, we would expect his system that he has established such that it guides to the truth, because it doesn't befit a being worthy of worship to misguide as oppose to guide to the truth.  

Alasdair, I think this is the premise that I began with and you disagree with.

Nope. You're backtracking now. This is the premise and what we must assume/take for granted:

What we will be taking for granted: We will take for granted God exists.

You can say now that you meant differently... but what you said was that ^^^this^^^ was what your premise was and what we were taking for granted.

[Edwardo Piet]

I feel that most threads made by theists on here are attempts to make themselves feel better about their beliefs.

Just my opinion.

I agree 100%

It's basically an attempt of self-bolstering and self-reinforcing through confirmation bias and other rationalizations and biases in order to cope with the cognitive dissonance that comes with having beliefs based on a conceptualization of a re-definition of truth that is emotional and subjective (for example, "the truth is whatever God or 'godly authorities' says it is") rather than based on the concept of objective reality (for example, as per the standard correspondence theory of truth that most people subscribe to intuitively (that basically the truth is what corresponds to reality) even if they don't philosophically).

[Jesster]

I really have to say that if this is your best argument for the god of Islam, then I am absolutely convinced that the Islam religion is complete garbage. All you've done is make it seem less plausible to me.