Is it possible for someone to take away the judgement from God?

[robvalue]

Yeah, your death must come at a convenient time or else you're screwed. You can live the best life ever, then accidentally have one wicked idea in your head (Jesus thought crime) with no intention of doing it, then someone drops a car on you before you can get to confession or whatever. Doesn't seem like much of a fair system. And like you say, being indoctrinated into another religion is a pretty steep disadvantage.

[SofaKingHigh]

If God gave us free will.

Can you give me one reason why we should indulge your brain farts?  Provide evidence that your god exists and then we can talk.

[dyresand]

god gives everyone free will
god knows everything
there for free will is a illusion
there for our actions are predetermined
ergo we are already predestined for heaven/hell
and said judging is merely a farce.

[Primordial Bisque]

How can god know anything if it existed prior to creating space/time? A non-temporal entity would lack the mechanism (time) in order to process any thought, let alone be the cause of anything.

[Minimalist]

He begins with "if god gave us free will."

That's an undefined term.

He's arguing against christians, trying to show them plot holes with the belief 'god gave us free will' that virtually all of them hold. Christians apparently like sticking to nonsensical shit.

No, no.  You can't give them an inch.  The moment you start with "if god" you simply embolden them.  It's a piss-poor way to begin any argument.

[dyresand]

How can god know anything if it existed prior to creating space/time? A non-temporal entity would lack the mechanism (time) in order to process any thought, let alone be the cause of anything.

on a serious note even if such a being existed it would be a paradox.

[Primordial Bisque]

He's arguing against christians, trying to show them plot holes with the belief 'god gave us free will' that virtually all of them hold. Christians apparently like sticking to nonsensical shit.

No, no.  You can't give them an inch.  The moment you start with "if god" you simply embolden them.  It's a piss-poor way to begin any argument.

^^this^^

Don't pull punches. Don't back down. Challenge them at every step; every turn.

[RozKek]

He's arguing against christians, trying to show them plot holes with the belief 'god gave us free will' that virtually all of them hold. Christians apparently like sticking to nonsensical shit.

No, no.  You can't give them an inch.  The moment you start with "if god" you simply embolden them.  It's a piss-poor way to begin any argument.

Well, you're actually right, I agree. Why speculate about the 'if' if that if isn't true, lol. What's the point in counter-arguing an argument that isn't correct.

[Drich]

If God gave us free will.

He didn't so your good. Seriously no where in the bible do we have the doctrine of free spelled out anywhere. there are verse scraps people cut and paste together to create the freewill doctrine, but it is not a unified biblical precept. Rather the opposite in fact. The bible tells us we are slaves to either sin or slaves to Him. we have been given the ablity to choose which. that is not 'free will' that is a slave being asked which yoke he want to wear and or which burden he wants to carry. Not you get to choose anything you want with out influence or consequence.

And someone decides to murder me before I had the chance to accept Jesus in my life. Would that person be taking away my chances to get into heaven?

No. We do nothing to Merritt heaven. We do not 'elect' who is and is not christian. Only Christ can do that on our day of judgement. The titles we give ourselves 'christian. true christian, baptist, jew gentile muslim' are completely meaningless.

When the bible talks about us being saved it is ALWAYS pointing to a future event meaning our judgement. We are saved from the wrath and judgement of God by Christ in that moment because of what he has done on the cross. This is not because of the life we live here and now, but on the say so of Christ. So in essence if Christ has set you aside for salvation you are saved. At the exact same time if we are saved and get to live what we consider a full life it will automatically manifest in certain ways (the religious crap we do or think about concerning saved people) if we have access to certain things like church bibles ect.. However if that life is cut short Christ still knows who you are.

Does that mean you can actually take the decision away from God? Seems like a flaw to me.

If you could it would be flawed.

A Christian told me that you are given many chances to accept Jesus.

Those who are called are. they/we are given their whole lives to respond.

But I beg to differ. If you are born in an Islamic country and never heard the gospel. I can make the decision to send you to hell.

What makes you think they are all called? The bible clearly states not all are called. Or better yet, what makes you think a follower of a different religion can not be saved?

Dont tell me you only think people who call themselves 'Christians' are allowed into heaven?!?!? What about Adam and Eve Abel and Seth, what about Noah or Isac or anyone who came before Moses, because technically they were merely 'Deists.' They were not Jews as their was no Judaism/no laws to point to or define what judism was. then what of everyone between moses and Christ or OT jews??? they were not Christian yet God specifically holds many of those OT guys as being righteous men, then after Jesus though the dark ages when the only church was so corrupt that there is little to any difference between it and any tyrannical government. (think ISIS).. The church rewrote the bible durning that time, and what was labeled Christianity had nothing to do with what Jesus or the apostles set up!!! (people literally had to buy they bad relatives out of hell)
So that makes it a different religion.. So then Did God also throw all of those souls away because they did not follow what you understand a christian to be? that is millions of people over the course of hundreds and hundreds of years. So then what makes you think our self appointed labels mean anymore now than they did then?

So, Therefore their must be another measure to what being a christian is besides your personal imperial standard/Something else God uses to judge people 'christian' aside from what you think he does.

If you look to scripture you will find it. It is the parable of the talents/bags of Gold.

In essence God/Christ will ultimately judge us not on a set religious standard like "All baptists and Lutherans come into heaven, the rest of you are screwed." No In the parable of the talents the master judged the servants based on what they were given. We are not judged by whether we pass a religious bar or not, that is why Christ died. so we do not have to measure up religiously. Rather Christ will judge you on you understanding and the availability of the information you have and what you did with it. To the one guy who was given 5 bags of gold he invested it and returned 10 to the guy he gave 3 he invested it and returned 6 Both were praised equally and welcomed in. But the guy who was only given one bag did nothing with it and what he was given and given to the guy who had 10. Meaning the measure or judgement is based on what you have been specifically given by God to work with. Not some artifical BS religious guys try to sell.

And even if I granted the fact they were given chances to accept Jesus in their life, what keeps me from removing all sinners from the earth if I'd make the ultimate sacrifice of accepting eternal torture to make the world a better place?

That's a very nice gesture but that option is not for you to take. That would be like you telling me you are going to pay off my mortgage and you roll up to the bank reach into your pocket and pull out a Yuge Wad of Orange Monopoly 500 dollar bills and try and pay my debt with that currency. Now that orange money may mean the world to you, but is not valid for the debt I have or owe.

Why? because you like me are a sinners, which invalidates your money/offer. It means you owe a debt that like me can not pay either. Which is what Christ died for. He alone had the money to pay what was owed.

The whole concept of heaven, hell and God judging you doesn't make sense to me.

give it time. Don't lock your mind to exclude something before you fully understand it.

If I was aware of a pedofile raping kids and the police didn't take action. Is it a sin for me to kill him and spare children the pain? Or do I just need to pray to God that the pedofile doesn't victimizes anyone else to make sure I get into heaven myself?
If I was a pedofile myself and decided to commit suicide to avoid me giving in to an innate urge to fuck little kids would God consider that as a good deed and allow me into heaven?

This is a mistake many people make. We assume that our version of what is good and bad has the same moral value to God. When in truth EVERYTHING WE DO IS BAD. or rather tainted with sin.

To borrow a metaphor from someone If you had a bowl full of m&ms or lets say a truck load and you knew without a doubt, out of that truck load, only 4 m's were poisonous like drop dead poisonous if you even touched them they'd kill you.. would you sell them, eat them or hand them out to kids on Halloween? No, those 4 taint the whole truck load of good M&Ms. Meaning it does not matter how many 'good' m&m's you have you could literally have a truck load of good deeds and only 4 bad ones, the bad ones invalidate the good because YOU can't separate the two.

So enter Christ and His atonement. He is the only one who can identify and remove those 4 M's

So again it is not about the good or bad we do in this life as the good will never be good enough because we are all carring bad m's with us. the ratio of good to bad is unimportant, as Christ will always take the bad away. If you let him. What is left goes into Heaven.

If I knew that most Christians were without sin, wouldn't I be doing them a favour to take away any chance for them to commit a sin? That would mean I accept hell to prevent others from going there.

That's the thing none are without sin.

If I killed one person or created a virus that made the entire human race go extinct, is the pain of hell the same?

No Christ talks about more sever punishment for some. (those who harm little kids for instance)

On the latter I wouldn't have a problem with people going to heaven and I would stop any more people from going to hell.

What makes you think everyone wants to goto Heaven?
Read some of the comments here. some people would consider an eternity with God to be worse than hell.

If empathy is a virtue,

God i hope not!

and everyone has had a chance to accept Jesus I wouldn't have a problem stopping people from going to hell for once and for all.

But you assume All want to live apart of God's heaven.

Look at what lucifer and 1/3 of all the angels did. They literally chose Hell over service to God. What makes you think we are all are or would be any different? eternity is a long time, and if you don't like your job even Hell will look good by compareson.

If I were to kill all non-Christans and remove any trace from other religions. Wouldn't I be improving the chance of future babies to discover Jesus?

No, the worst thing for a christian is to be born one.

There is a luke warm complacency that creeps in by the time your a teen.

All these things are possible because I have free will and can decide to accept eternal torture.

The bible never says the torture is eternal, only that Hell is forever and satan will be punished there forever.
When Jesus/the bible talks about our experience in Hell it describes us being consumed or being sent there to be destroyed.

Morality derived from religions like Christianity is flawed like hell

You are 100% right. Maybe that is why God's economy as describes by the bible is not based on 'morality,' but rather atonement and redemption.

it seems more plausible that we as a human race have developed morality because it is beneficial to our species regardless of wether you end up in hell or not.

You are very perceptive.

Now all you need do is Read the bible for yourself without the lens of religion telling what is what, and you will be able to see something most people can't.

That religion and Christianity as the bible describes it seldom has anything in common.

[The Grand Nudger]

It would be pointless to set out the many verses that speak to mans free will as conceived of by christians to whom such things matter, as you obviously don't believe those parts of the bible, or..in fact, in the overriding context of the narrative as a whole, of a god who risks and offers choices, deals, and arrangements, thereafter holding human beings morally responsible for what the authors clearly and exhaustively expressed as mans many poor lifestyle decisions.

You see, we have nothing to atone for, or be redeemed for, if we have no moral accountability.  Meanwhile, it;s actually your soul that god plans to jettison, certainly not the jews, those are his divine master race - and they've been commanded to root your blasphemous ass right off the face of the planet.  Thankfully, nobody listens to that guy anymore (except, maybe, the craziest and most faithful damned muslims), least of all the jews or yourself.