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Is it possible for someone to take away the judgement from God?
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RE: Is it possible for someone to take away the judgement from God?
(November 1, 2016 at 8:59 pm)verbral Wrote: If God gave us free will. And someone decides to murder me before I had the chance to accept Jesus in my life. Would that person be taking away my chances to get into heaven? Does that mean you can actually take the decision away from God? Seems like a flaw to me.

A Christian told me that you are given many chances to accept Jesus. But I beg to differ. If you are born in an Islamic country and never heard the gospel. I can make the decision to send you to hell.

And even if I granted the fact they were given chances to accept Jesus in their life, what keeps me from removing all sinners from the earth if I'd make the ultimate sacrifice of accepting eternal torture to make the world a better place?

The whole concept of heaven, hell and God judging you doesn't make sense to me.

If I was aware of a pedofile raping kids and the police didn't take action. Is it a sin for me to kill him and spare children the pain? Or do I just need to pray to God that the pedofile doesn't victimizes anyone else to make sure I get into heaven myself?

If I was a pedofile myself and decided to commit suicide to avoid me giving in to an innate urge to fuck little kids would God consider that as a good deed and allow me into heaven?

If I knew that most Christians were without sin, wouldn't I be doing them a favour to take away any chance for them to commit a sin? That would mean I accept hell to prevent others from going there.

If I killed one person or created a virus that made the entire human race go extinct, is the pain of hell the same? On the latter I wouldn't have a problem with people going to heaven and I would stop any more people from going to hell. If empathy is a virtue, and everyone has had a chance to accept Jesus I wouldn't have a problem stopping people from going to hell for once and for all.

If I were to kill all non-Christans and remove any trace from other religions. Wouldn't I be improving the chance of future babies to discover Jesus?

All these things are possible because I have free will and can decide to accept eternal torture.
Morality derived from religions like Christianity is flawed like hell, it seems more plausible that we as a human race have developed morality because it is beneficial to our species regardless of wether you end up in hell or not.

Good post.
I 100% agree that we in the west are two wrapped of in the criminality metaphor when it comes to sin and wrongdoing.

Human morality is what is good for the human.

Firstly, I don't think the whole "Accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour" thing isn't the basis on which people get into heaven.

There's actually a couple of passages in the bible that make implicitly imply that non-believers will be judged by Christ by different standards.
The parable of the sheep and the goats, for example - what is normally translated from the Greek as "All Nations" actually has a meaning in the Greek original as all [other] nations, as in gentile, as in non-believer. So basically the bible says that if you practice mercy and compassion to fellow human beings you will go to heaven whether you directly know of Jesus or not. "For whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers... that you do unto me."

Another interesting passage is this one:
"And that servant who knew the will of his lord, and prepared not himself, and did not according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. And unto whomsoever much is given, of him much shall be required: and to whom they have committed much, of him they will demand the more. " ~ Luke 12 v.47-48
 So non-believers will actually have an easier time of it than Christians when it comes to God's wrath, according to the bible.
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RE: Is it possible for someone to take away the judgement from God?
(November 7, 2016 at 5:46 pm)abaris Wrote:
(November 1, 2016 at 9:15 pm)Minimalist Wrote: He begins with "if god gave us free will."

That's an undefined term.

It's not undefined, it a premise that doesn't have any base in reality. First prove there's god as imagined by OP.

Semantics.
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