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RE: Mythology and Religion
November 6, 2016 at 3:17 pm
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My favorite Mormon schism, The Congregation of Jehovah's Presbytery of Zion, has actually been memberless for over 100 years.
Is it a myth ??
Well, no, They were real, there were 600+ believers at one time, and they took their brand of Mormon Communism quite seriously. In fact, they took it more seriously than their leader did, as he was just in it for the money.
But The Congregation of Jehovah's Presbytery of Zion is about as defunct as any sect/schism can be. As for their specific Mormon Deity, Baneemy, I'm not sure how he is looking at the situation these days. Deprived of worship and worshippers, I spose he is in a distended and dissipated state.
I'd guess in the Halls of Valhalla these days he shares humorous anecdotes with Neptune and Adrastea, but other than that, I suspect his existence is rather limited.
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RE: Mythology and Religion
November 6, 2016 at 4:15 pm
(November 6, 2016 at 3:17 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: But The Congregation of Jehovah's Presbytery of Zion is about as defunct as any sect/schism can be. As for their specific Mormon Deity, Baneemy, I'm not sure how he is looking at the situation these days. Deprived of worship and worshippers, I spose he is in a distended and dissipated state.
I'd guess in the Halls of Valhalla these days he shares humorous anecdotes with Neptune and Adrastea, but other than that, I suspect his existence is rather limited.
Ever read "American Gods" by Neil Gaiman, by chance? I think you'd enjoy it.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Mythology and Religion
November 7, 2016 at 10:24 pm
Mythology
A body or collection of myths belonging to a people and addressing their origin, history, deities, ancestors and heroes.
"Religion" is mythology that society has not yet defined as mythology.
“Love is the only bow on Life’s dark cloud. It is the morning and the evening star. It shines upon the babe, and sheds its radiance on the quiet tomb. It is the mother of art, inspirer of poet, patriot and philosopher.
It is the air and light of every heart – builder of every home, kindler of every fire on every hearth. It was the first to dream of immortality. It fills the world with melody – for music is the voice of love.
Love is the magician, the enchanter, that changes worthless things to Joy, and makes royal kings and queens of common clay. It is the perfume of that wondrous flower, the heart, and without that sacred passion, that divine swoon, we are less than beasts; but with it, earth is heaven, and we are gods.” - Robert. G. Ingersoll
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RE: Mythology and Religion
November 8, 2016 at 1:35 am
(November 7, 2016 at 10:24 pm)operator Wrote: Mythology
A body or collection of myths belonging to a people and addressing their origin, history, deities, ancestors and heroes.
"Religion" is mythology that society has not yet defined as mythology.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythology
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion
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RE: Mythology and Religion
November 8, 2016 at 1:59 am
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Extent religions could have mythological components though.
A key tenet of Mormonism, the Lamanites in the US are entirely mythological as the Mormons have nothing on them. Not a single artifact, no ruins, no mention of them in Native American lore, no skeletons, just nothing and more nothing.
Christianity has incorporated mythological components too, Samson for instance, losing his strength when his locks are shorn is a retread of a sun deity myth. (you can't look at the sun on a clear day at noon because of the blinding glare, that is, the 'dazzle' is the hair, you see, then at sunset, the glare is removed, the sun is weakened, no 'hair' now and it is safe to look at)
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RE: Mythology and Religion
November 8, 2016 at 2:02 am
http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Mythology/Zalmoxis.html
Quote:Zalmoxis (Greek Ζάλμοξις, also known as Salmoxis, Σάλμοξις, Zamolxis, Ζάμολξις, or Samolxis Σάμολξις) * was a semi-mythical social and religious reformer, regarded as the only true God by the Thracian Dacians (also known in the Greek records as Getae Γέται). According to Herodotus (IV. 95 sq.), the Getae, who believed in the immortality of the soul, looked upon death merely as going to Zalmoxis, as they knew the way to become immortals.
Quote:Herodotus was told by the euhemeristic Pontic Greeks that Zalmoxis was really a man, formerly a slave (or disciple) of Pythagoras, who taught him the "sciences of the skies" at Samos. Zalmoxis was manumitted and amassed great wealth, returned to his country and instructed his people, the Getae, about the immortality of the soul. Zenon also records that Zamolxis was Pythagoras' slave.
At one point, Zalmoxis traveled to Egypt and brought the people mystic knowledge about the immortality of the soul, teaching them that they would pass at death to a certain place where they would enjoy all possible blessings for all eternity.
Zalmoxis then had a subterranean chamber constructed (other accounts say that it was a natural cave) on the holy mountain of Kogainon, to which he withdrew for three years (some other accounts considered he actually lived in Hades for these three years). The cave is located in the Bucegi Mountains of Romania and named the Ialomicioara Cave. After his disappearance, he was considered dead and mourned by his people, but after the three years had passed, he shown himself once more to the Getae, who were thus convinced about his teachings; an episode that some considered to be a resurrection (Thus he can be seen a life-death-rebirth deity, parallel to Tammuz or Jesus.)
Another savior god story - the difference between Zalmoxis and jebus was that Zalmoxis was recorded by a known historian.... in the 5th century BC.
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RE: Mythology and Religion
November 8, 2016 at 5:16 am
(November 8, 2016 at 1:35 am)Irrational Wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythology
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion
Right. Like I said, religion is mythology that society has not YET defined as mythology.
“Love is the only bow on Life’s dark cloud. It is the morning and the evening star. It shines upon the babe, and sheds its radiance on the quiet tomb. It is the mother of art, inspirer of poet, patriot and philosopher.
It is the air and light of every heart – builder of every home, kindler of every fire on every hearth. It was the first to dream of immortality. It fills the world with melody – for music is the voice of love.
Love is the magician, the enchanter, that changes worthless things to Joy, and makes royal kings and queens of common clay. It is the perfume of that wondrous flower, the heart, and without that sacred passion, that divine swoon, we are less than beasts; but with it, earth is heaven, and we are gods.” - Robert. G. Ingersoll
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RE: Mythology and Religion
November 8, 2016 at 5:18 am
(November 8, 2016 at 5:16 am)operator Wrote: (November 8, 2016 at 1:35 am)Irrational Wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythology
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion
Right. Like I said, religion is mythology that society has not YET defined as mythology.
Religion includes mythology. It's not like mythology evolves into religion at some later stage.
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RE: Mythology and Religion
November 8, 2016 at 5:52 am
(November 8, 2016 at 5:18 am)Irrational Wrote: Religion includes mythology. It's not like mythology evolves into religion at some later stage.
You're right, mythology does not evolve into religion. Religion does, however, eventually become mythology.
“Love is the only bow on Life’s dark cloud. It is the morning and the evening star. It shines upon the babe, and sheds its radiance on the quiet tomb. It is the mother of art, inspirer of poet, patriot and philosopher.
It is the air and light of every heart – builder of every home, kindler of every fire on every hearth. It was the first to dream of immortality. It fills the world with melody – for music is the voice of love.
Love is the magician, the enchanter, that changes worthless things to Joy, and makes royal kings and queens of common clay. It is the perfume of that wondrous flower, the heart, and without that sacred passion, that divine swoon, we are less than beasts; but with it, earth is heaven, and we are gods.” - Robert. G. Ingersoll
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RE: Mythology and Religion
November 8, 2016 at 5:55 am
(November 8, 2016 at 5:52 am)operator Wrote: (November 8, 2016 at 5:18 am)Irrational Wrote: Religion includes mythology. It's not like mythology evolves into religion at some later stage.
You're right, mythology does not evolve into religion. Religion does, however, eventually become mythology.
Made a mistake. Meant the other way around, lol.
But point still stands. Mythology is one possible component of religion. Christianity (in the broadest sense of the word), for example, is a religion that includes the mythology of Christianity (i.e., the stories found in the Bible and traditional extra-biblical stories).
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