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Dear Atheists
#31
RE: Dear Atheists
(November 6, 2016 at 6:08 pm)abaris Wrote:
(November 6, 2016 at 5:34 pm)ParagonLost Wrote: Christian Atheist yes. A paradox or contradiction perhaps? I call myself a Atheist because when i explain my religious views to my brothers in faith they don't accept me. They call me a Atheist and unbeliever. It's stuck with me ever since. For example, I don't believe in a literal Resurrection. This is blasphemy in Christianity but no matter what i Cant believe in a physical resurrection. Perhaps it's because I live in a post enlightened world where philosophy and science are at the forefront of knowledge. Logic doesn't curtail such a phenomenon.

If all of that is true, you're the classic agnostic. Although I don't see why you go with christianity. The only conclusion that can come from being an agnostic is to consider the existence of a totally neutral higher intelligence. Certainly not some deity being concerned over humans.

Scienctific facts speak quite clearly against that.

When i experience God, He is concerned for me and humans in general. I feel all the emotions of a caring Father. Of course i take it all metaphorically, But metaphor creates reality. It's something that's a foundation or rock solid basic. Sorry I don't mean to single you out Abaris and I'm not saying you even said anything wrong. But i think we must not label each other. I think that right goes to the individual to label himself/herself. So when someone says I am a Muslim but I drink i think we have to accept that. There are Gay Christians and drug taking Christians. I don't believe I am a agnostic at all.

(November 6, 2016 at 6:16 pm)abaris Wrote:
(November 6, 2016 at 6:09 pm)ParagonLost Wrote: @Valkyrie 1. I don't think it's science that really convinces people because back then there was no such thing.
              2. Yeah there are contradictions I can't debate that. But its kind of necessary when you have so many writers spanning decades with different view points.
              3. Hermeneutics or different interpretations has always been part of christian history.
              4. Yeah there is a lot of violence in the bible and some things are challenged by. There are no excuses here.

Have you ever considered them to be campfire legends put into writing at some point in time? Codes of conduct for an otherwise lawless half nomadic society? And a healthy dose of chest pounding at the same time.

Yes i know what you mean by legends because the Gospels were written decades after the life of Jesus. Yes i considered that. I disagree with the bible a lot though. Paul only mentions Christians unable to have Christians slaves. But seems to condone slavery for other folks.
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#32
RE: Dear Atheists
Quote:@Minimalist I think the fact humans created Gods doesn't negate the idea of him.

You could...and should....apply that to Mother Goose, too.



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#33
RE: Dear Atheists
See where Christianity Lite and scripture cherry picking and Bible verse buffets have brought us ?

Panic Panic Panic




Edit:

reply is to post #28, didn't see there were several replies already posted.
 The granting of a pardon is an imputation of guilt, and the acceptance a confession of it. 




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#34
RE: Dear Atheists
Damn, we need an Inquisition worse now than they did the first time around.
 The granting of a pardon is an imputation of guilt, and the acceptance a confession of it. 




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#35
RE: Dear Atheists
Welcome aboard OP.  Whether or not your god exists is only a matter f academic concern, to me.  A game that you and I might play with a system of rules.  If it does, I'm not interested in being a christian anyway.  I refuse to string up the better man, if he existed, or accept reward for the same done by another. Just not big on the bloodmoney theory of redemption, personally. If that really is an offer on the table, I simply pass for reasons of conscience.
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#36
RE: Dear Atheists
(November 6, 2016 at 6:19 pm)ParagonLost Wrote: So when someone says I am a Muslim but I drink i think we have to accept that. There are Gay Christians and drug taking Christians. I don't believe I am a agnostic at all.

I'm accepting anyone's particular believes as long as they keep it private. Most of the board can testify to that. But I don't have to understand it at the same time. In fact I don't understand anyone accepting science and at the sametime embracing a god caring for humans. We're just a tiny, tiny fart in the universe's history.
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#37
RE: Dear Atheists
Ive seen this sort of Christian before:  "I'm super cool and so is Jesus.  I don't believe in most of the fundamentals of the Bible but I definitely want to cherry pick the cool stuff and tell people how most everybody's going to heaven while I inform them about a religion I know almost nothing about." 

Don't get me wrong, I have no malice towards you, just general aversion. 

You're the type that can't reconcile the fact that your god showed up in the middle of human history and adopted the ancient human practice of blood sacrifice as a way to satiate a requirement that he put on himself in order that he might save us from a place he made himself - yet still you will prattle on about how full and happy god makes you feel as your primary argument at the end of the day can be summed up with the words, "yeah, but still."

If you are a Christian, your god's name is Yahweh.  A simple search of wikipedia will tell you that your god has morphed down through the ages to be the "one true god" you believe in, but in reality history has documented him as nothing more or less than any other god. 

Educate yourself, then free yourself my friend.
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#38
RE: Dear Atheists
Not sure how to respond to you my friend.  It does appear you selected "Christian" by mistake in your bio page.  Not trying to be rude but given your statement of beliefs  it appears you have created your own religion and have erroneously labeled yourself a Christian.  Welcome to the forum.
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#39
RE: Dear Atheists
(November 6, 2016 at 6:19 pm)ParagonLost Wrote: Yes i know what you mean by legends because the Gospels were written decades after the life of Jesus. Yes i considered that. I disagree with the bible a lot though. Paul only mentions Christians unable to have Christians slaves. But seems to condone slavery for other folks.

So, how did you go about figuring out which parts were to be believed, and which parts are ok to disbelieve or ignore?

How are you sure the parts that you ignore or disbelieve, aren't important parts to believe?

What algorithm did you use, so I can use it too, to discern the important parts?


There certainly isn't any in the Bible itself.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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#40
RE: Dear Atheists
@PETE_ROSE Hi PETE, thanks for the welcome brother. But can i just say your response is almost the same as to what more traditional Christians say: you know the ones we all hate. Just Kidding, Good folks. What they will say is I'm not a true Christian and say I created my own religion or i add and subtract from the Bible.

It seems I can't find any middle ground between my fellow believers in faith and disbelievers. Christians are convinced I'm not a Christian and so do Atheists. I love Atheism it's so simple, except it's not actually. There are Christian Atheists like Richard Dawkins who are culturally Christian and when asked what they are on forums or surveys; they will tick the Christian box. I thought I was a Atheist for a while until I figured out i was a repressed seeker or actually a doubting Agnostic.

A Atheist is someone who Doesn't believe in Gods everyone else believes in, but he himself will believe in a god sometimes which might be better labeled as Agnostic Atheist. Probably a Skeptic is a better word like doubting Thomas from the Bible. I myself am a Theist, that is, I positively believe in a God from reason and scrutiny of the physical universe and of the interior mind (personal experience). There are Deists who believe in God but it's hard to believe in a God that is not personal. Because we humans are personal and we're created in Gods Image so our experience reflects our own nature. I want to you to know that as I'm talking to you about what some might call jargon; no where in the text or motive am i trying to convert you. Let's make that clear. I believe you can be a moral person without religion so your intention, beauty, and heart are never questioned by me.

Then there are Anti-Theists which I'm sure you heard of or seen on the this site. Atheism is actually a Greek word and was used to denote Gods in a society but other definitions in the society was not rejected per say but debated by philosophers and the intellectual elite. There are people who are spiritual who understand the definitions of God but do not participate in any religion but choose their own path. I'm not choosing my own path, my framework is Christian because I believe Jesus is Lord. And that's really my definition of a Christian.
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