Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: March 29, 2024, 6:09 am

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Theists: would you view the truth?
#21
RE: Theists: would you view the truth?
He thinks his bullshit story is real.
Reply
#22
RE: Theists: would you view the truth?
(November 28, 2016 at 12:30 am)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:Excellent question. I'm not sure really. I suppose I'd start with Jesus's arrest, trial, and death, then see what happens to his body over the next couple days.

Not only can jesusists not pinpoint his alleged birth they are equally sucky on the date of death.  I've seen dates everywhere from 29-36 AD.  That's a seven year spread.  You'd think they could nail such an important date down a little closer than that, wouldn't you?

Why would I think that?
Reply
#23
RE: Theists: would you view the truth?
Gospels John and Mark don't even agree on the day of the week. (And it was a big holiday weekend!) It's amazing this 1) isn't more widely known and 2) regarded as damning as to the veracity of scriptures, especially in light of Mark and Luke not agreeing on whether or not Jesus death provides atonement for sin.

The entire edifice of Christianity is built upon the sinking sand of it's own Bible.
 The granting of a pardon is an imputation of guilt, and the acceptance a confession of it. 




Reply
#24
RE: Theists: would you view the truth?
Maybe they did the whole thing twice and mixed up some of their lines?
Feel free to send me a private message.
Please visit my website here! It's got lots of information about atheism/theism and support for new atheists.

Index of useful threads and discussions
Index of my best videos
Quickstart guide to the forum
Reply
#25
RE: Theists: would you view the truth?
(November 28, 2016 at 1:29 am)robvalue Wrote:
(November 28, 2016 at 12:12 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Of course the reverse question also applies... If you went back and witnessed the events as described, would you believe?

Sure, I'd believe the events happened, whatever they were.

At that point your faith would transform in to the knowledge. And you will be have to choose whatever you want to follow Gods laws. Also, your freedom of choice would be crippled by the fear, for example, of enjoying too much and becoming qualified for some sort of purgatory in the afterlife.
Reply
#26
RE: Theists: would you view the truth?
If you're talking about me, then it wouldn't make any difference to how I live my life. I reject religion because it's irrelevant to me. While I have any say in the matter, I'll continue to use my brain to decide how best to act. If someone is going to punish me for that, so be it. I wouldn't be able to trust such a being, nor are they worthy of my respect, if they expect me to just do what they say regardless.
Feel free to send me a private message.
Please visit my website here! It's got lots of information about atheism/theism and support for new atheists.

Index of useful threads and discussions
Index of my best videos
Quickstart guide to the forum
Reply
#27
RE: Theists: would you view the truth?
I'll bump this as I only seem to have had one answer. I know we don't have many theists but I'd like to hear a few more points of view.
Feel free to send me a private message.
Please visit my website here! It's got lots of information about atheism/theism and support for new atheists.

Index of useful threads and discussions
Index of my best videos
Quickstart guide to the forum
Reply
#28
RE: Theists: would you view the truth?
(November 28, 2016 at 8:28 am)purplepurpose Wrote:
(November 28, 2016 at 1:29 am)robvalue Wrote: Sure, I'd believe the events happened, whatever they were.

At that point your faith would transform in to the knowledge. And you will be have to choose whatever you want to follow Gods laws. Also, your freedom of choice would be crippled by the fear, for example, of enjoying too much and becoming qualified for some sort of purgatory in the afterlife.

Would you not do as many on AF say and attribute any apparent miracles to mass delusions or extraterrestrials? Seems to me from my time here that any explanation, no matter how implausible, is preferred over divine intervention.
Reply
#29
RE: Theists: would you view the truth?
Extraterrestrials are always far more plausible than divine intervention. Miracles and divinity is as implausible as it gets. At least aliens exist.
Reply
#30
RE: Theists: would you view the truth?
That's because "divine intervention" is the least plausible answer before literally every other avenue has been explored. It's the ultimate investigation stopper; once fixed upon, it completely negates any other explanation while at the same time explaining nothing itself.

So yes, were I to go back in time and witness these events unfolding just as the story says, I would have no choice but to accept that something out of the ordinary happened, at least based on what my senses tell me. But accounting for it, now that's where the real investigation starts. What I'm not going to do is reflexively shackle my belief to the superstition of the day surrounding the events - and I'm sure as shit stinks not going to fall on my knees and worship it, even if it was proven beyond question to be the work of Yahweh the Bloody Handed. Especially that.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
Reply



Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Theists: how do you account for psychopaths? robvalue 288 39225 March 5, 2021 at 6:37 am
Last Post: arewethereyet
  Theists: What do you mean when you say that God is 'perfect'? Angrboda 103 16550 March 5, 2021 at 6:35 am
Last Post: arewethereyet
  What would you do if you found out God existed Catholic_Lady 545 77214 March 5, 2021 at 3:28 am
Last Post: The Valkyrie
  [Serious] Freemasons: why is there such a negative view of this group? GODZILLA 8 1382 February 4, 2019 at 6:43 am
Last Post: GODZILLA
  Theists, please describe how you experience your god I_am_not_mafia 161 15969 June 15, 2018 at 9:37 am
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  Truth or swag? Angrboda 64 9356 June 4, 2018 at 3:08 am
Last Post: Whateverist
  What would you say to a god if you met one? The Valkyrie 37 3954 June 1, 2018 at 7:05 am
Last Post: brewer
  How I view all the world's religions. Brian37 0 596 March 22, 2018 at 4:19 pm
Last Post: Brian37
  Theists, Who would You Rather Have as a Neighbor Rhondazvous 23 7655 November 10, 2017 at 6:44 pm
Last Post: vorlon13
  What would you do if you found out that I was God? Aegon 16 2495 October 8, 2017 at 6:43 pm
Last Post: Aegon



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)