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January 31, 2017 at 2:44 am (This post was last modified: January 31, 2017 at 2:48 am by Godscreated.)
(January 30, 2017 at 10:33 pm)Khemikal Wrote:
(January 30, 2017 at 5:01 pm)Godschild Wrote: Insinuating a person of any color is stupid for what they chose to believe.
GC
Ah, now I see the problem. You have trouble with words. You realize that any statements regarding persons "of any color" is the opposite of racism, by default, yes? Perhaps this trouble you have with words is why you -don't- see racism for what it is, where it does exist, as well?
You seem to think that racism is a term for somehow insulting the things that you believe...it isn't. You're welcome.
No you are wrong, bigoted, racist or what ever you might want to call it, when you insinuate that black people should reject a belief because of what happened in the past, is demeaning and insulting their intelligence and that is racism. All color of people have been held in slavery at one point in history, yet the OP picks out only black people, singling out a race and then demeaning them is racism period. The only reason you are defending the other is because a Christian was stating what he saw atheist doing.
GC
(January 30, 2017 at 9:41 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Thank god for small favors.
You really should try and come to a better understanding of the scriptures before making such ridiculous statements.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
(January 30, 2017 at 10:33 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Ah, now I see the problem. You have trouble with words. You realize that any statements regarding persons "of any color" is the opposite of racism, by default, yes? Perhaps this trouble you have with words is why you -don't- see racism for what it is, where it does exist, as well?
You seem to think that racism is a term for somehow insulting the things that you believe...it isn't. You're welcome.
No you are wrong, bigoted, racist or what ever you might want to call it, when you insinuate that black people should reject a belief because of what happened in the past, is demeaning and insulting their intelligence and that is racism. All color of people have been held in slavery at one point in history, yet the OP picks out only black people, singling out a race and then demeaning them is racism period. The only reason you are defending the other is because a Christian was stating what he saw atheist doing.
GC
(January 30, 2017 at 9:41 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Thank god for small favors.
You really should try and come to a better understanding of the scriptures before making such ridiculous statements.
GC
The OT Israelites were a bunch of barbarians, homicidal maniacs, thieves, and baby rapers. They make ISIS look like bunny rabbits.
January 31, 2017 at 12:02 pm (This post was last modified: January 31, 2017 at 12:10 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(January 31, 2017 at 2:44 am)Godschild Wrote: No you are wrong, bigoted, racist or what ever you might want to call it, when you insinuate that black people should reject a belief because of what happened in the past, is demeaning and insulting their intelligence and that is racism.
Still having trouble with words. Racism is the position or assumption that a persons -race- makes them somehow inferior, lesser.....or greater, for that matter - that something is endemic to their -race-. Not that any group of people, be it cultural or ethnic, should reject something due to it's being leveraged to enslave them, and not that any group of people did something or believe something stupid. For example, insinuating or believing that mexicans are a bunch of criminal takers ruining our country....racist. Insinuating or believing that mexicans would have to be idiotic to trust our federal government at present......not racist. Find me a mexican who thinks that all of this shit of late is honky dory and I'll call that guy an idiot all day long...and maybe I'd be an asshole, but not a racist. Do you understand the difference?
Quote:All color of people have been held in slavery at one point in history, yet the OP picks out only black people, singling out a race and then demeaning them is racism period. The only reason you are defending the other is because a Christian was stating what he saw atheist doing.
Or maybe, just maybe, it has something to do with your inability to see bigotry and racism when and where it exists...and, instead, choose to interpret it as having something to do with your silly ass religion? Obviously, imo, the two issues are related.
The question has been asked and, at least to an extent, answered as regards the op. As you've so kindly pointed out, many have been oppressed...and christianity has a long and venerable history of oppression. Why, indeed, would -anyone- cling to the faith that exterminated their ancestors both bodily and culturally...or held them in bondage? Well, part of it has to do with extermination and bondage, part of it has to do with appropriation (similar to the manner in which you are attempting to appropriate the term racism now, matter of fact) and some of it has to do with syncretic re-imaginings of the very faith traditions in question.
Again...you're welcome.
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(December 7, 2016 at 3:06 pm)Atheist_BG Wrote: I just came across this on the internet: You may purchase slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase their children. You may treat them as your property. (Leviticus 25:45)
I find it... "funny", for the lack of a better word, how black people worship the same god who allowed them to be enslaved. What's worse, he actually ordered they should be enslaved. I'm guessing they'll end up not exactly in the place they were hoping for when they were alive, lol.
Not just black people smart guy... Any non Jew. that means you too.
February 1, 2017 at 1:13 am (This post was last modified: February 1, 2017 at 1:41 am by Godscreated.)
(January 31, 2017 at 5:36 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: [quote='Godschild' pid='1499789' dateline='1485845045']
No you are wrong, bigoted, racist or what ever you might want to call it, when you insinuate that black people should reject a belief because of what happened in the past, is demeaning and insulting their intelligence and that is racism. All color of people have been held in slavery at one point in history, yet the OP picks out only black people, singling out a race and then demeaning them is racism period. The only reason you are defending the other is because a Christian was stating what he saw atheist doing.
GC
You really should try and come to a better understanding of the scriptures before making such ridiculous statements.
GC
The OT Israelites were a bunch of barbarians, homicidal maniacs, thieves, and baby rapers. They make ISIS look like bunny rabbits.
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If that's your best I'm not lowering myself to such petty tripe.
GC
(January 31, 2017 at 12:02 pm)Khemikal Wrote: [quote='Godschild' pid='1499789' dateline='1485845045']
No you are wrong, bigoted, racist or what ever you might want to call it, when you insinuate that black people should reject a belief because of what happened in the past, is demeaning and insulting their intelligence and that is racism.
Khem Wrote:Still having trouble with words. Racism is the position or assumption that a persons -race- makes them somehow inferior, lesser.....or greater, for that matter - that something is endemic to their -race-. Not that any group of people, be it cultural or ethnic, should reject something due to it's being leveraged to enslave them, and not that any group of people did something or believe something stupid. For example, insinuating or believing that mexicans are a bunch of criminal takers ruining our country....racist. Insinuating or believing that mexicans would have to be idiotic to trust our federal government at present......not racist. Find me a mexican who thinks that all of this shit of late is honky dory and I'll call that guy an idiot all day long...and maybe I'd be an asshole, but not a racist. Do you understand the difference?
I've never had trouble understanding racism, I grew up in the south and witnessed almost daily and found it an awful thing as a child and still do as an adult. The OP called out a certain race and one that was most likely no in slaved but the Israelites. The Israelites were in slavery 400 years in Egypt but no one here cares about that, now do they.
By the way being an ---hole can very often be seen in bigotry.
Quote:
All color of people have been held in slavery at one point in history, yet the OP picks out only black people, singling out a race and then demeaning them is racism period. The only reason you are defending the other is because a Christian was stating what he saw atheist doing.
Khem Wrote:The question has been asked and, at least to an extent, answered as regards the op. As you've so kindly pointed out, many have been oppressed...and christianity has a long and venerable history of oppression. Why, indeed, would -anyone- cling to the faith that exterminated their ancestors both bodily and culturally...or held them in bondage? Well, part of it has to do with extermination and bondage, part of it has to do with appropriation (similar to the manner in which you are attempting to appropriate the term racism now, matter of fact) and some of it has to do with syncretic re-imaginings of the very faith traditions in question.
Again...you're welcome.
Well then maybe you can explain why the black people want to research their ancestral backgrounds. It was the Africans themselves who were enslaving their own long before white men began to buy them. It was the Africans who enslaved their own to sale to the white people. There's guilt enough to go around without people trying to make a continued controversy and/or argument. We should all be working for better relationships between all races.
Also think twice before you believe you can teach me about racism, bigotry or any other type of hate.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
I think what people don't get is that it's not kkk Donald Trump rebel flag waving racist that black people are truly scared of, it's the Hillarys and the Ben Carsons. The liars. The stereotyper. The mass incarcerationer. The cop who is a little to quick to reach for a gun. The guy who uses n word because it's okay his girlfriend is black. That person who comments about how you're pretty for black girl. And are you mixed? The shop owner who asks if you need something a little too often.
February 1, 2017 at 2:18 am (This post was last modified: February 1, 2017 at 2:19 am by Foxaèr.)
(February 1, 2017 at 2:16 am)BrokenQuill92 Wrote: I think what people don't get is that it's not kkk Donald Trump rebel flag waving racist that black people are truly scared of
Because Trump is clearly black-people-friendly.
Chris Rock: If you're black and Christian, you have a real short memory.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
~ Erin Hunter
And furthermore assimilation and appropriation are not the same thing. Some who is FORCED to adopt the culture another nation or be exterminated is assimilated. There own culture is decimated, destroy left with fragments.
Appropriation is taking in a magpie like way from another culture. Not understanding the meaning and politic of people. It's pretty and you're the ruling the ruling class and " I'm just honoring your culture" "I just want to learn more" except they forgot to shut up and listen
(February 1, 2017 at 1:13 am)Godschild Wrote: I've never had trouble understanding racism, I grew up in the south and witnessed almost daily and found it an awful thing as a child and still do as an adult.
You clearly do, judging by the examples you offered you don't even know what the word means..which is strange, coming from the south, as you say.
Quote:and one that was most likely no in slaved but the Israelites. The Israelites were in slavery 400 years in Egypt but no one here cares about that, now do they.
Issues of coherency aside...there is no evidence whatsoever that this ever occurred - but that hardly mattered....in response to this believed enslavement the "isrealites" imagined an establishment narrative in which they were the aggressors, the powerful people....none of that happened either..and again, it didn't matter. If you want to talk about bigotry or racism..look no further than the assumption of a divinely chosen race.
Quote:By the way being an ---hole can very often be seen in bigotry.
-and in other news, colorblind people mistake red for green.....?
Quote:Well then maybe you can explain why the black people want to research their ancestral backgrounds. It was the Africans themselves who were enslaving their own long before white men began to buy them. It was the Africans who enslaved their own to sale to the white people. There's guilt enough to go around without people trying to make a continued controversy and/or argument. We should all be working for better relationships between all races.
The inevitable launch into a "totally not racist" bit of nonsense.
Quote:Also think twice before you believe you can teach me about racism, bigotry or any other type of hate.
You clearly need one.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
(February 1, 2017 at 2:16 am)BrokenQuill92 Wrote: I think what people don't get is that it's not kkk Donald Trump rebel flag waving racist that black people are truly scared of, it's the Hillarys and the Ben Carsons. The liars. The stereotyper. The mass incarcerationer. The cop who is a little to quick to reach for a gun. The guy who uses n word because it's okay his girlfriend is black. That person who comments about how you're pretty for black girl. And are you mixed? The shop owner who asks if you need something a little too often.
I can understand the cop with the gun and liars.
All the others just sound like possible annoyances rather than something to be scared of.
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Not just black people smart guy... Any non Jew. that means you too.
