Are you still grieving? You are not alone.

[Mermaid]

And this makes me pine for a Bush presidency. Seriously.

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"Political correctness" is being respectful of other people. No more, no less. Anyone that whines about being called out for being disrespectful to other people is an asshole. No more, no less.

The same champions of political correctness are the ones who are willing to call people racist for little to no reason. I don't know about you, but I find being called a racist very very insulting and disrespectful. I've been called a racist tons of times by these politically correct morons for my views on Islam, which is a religion and ideology and not a race. Political correctness is normally just a shield to be able to say whatever you want and try to stifle what other people want to say. Fuck political correctness.

You can say whatever you please. It's a free country. At least for the moment anyway. That doesn't mean you can control the reactions and actions of others. If I perceive something is racist or otherwise bigoted, I'm going to speak my mind.

[CapnAwesome]

The same champions of political correctness are the ones who are willing to call people racist for little to no reason. I don't know about you, but I find being called a racist very very insulting and disrespectful. I've been called a racist tons of times by these politically correct morons for my views on Islam, which is a religion and ideology and not a race. Political correctness is normally just a shield to be able to say whatever you want and try to stifle what other people want to say. Fuck political correctness.

You can say whatever you please. It's a free country. At least for the moment anyway. That doesn't mean you can control the reactions and actions of others. If I perceive something is racist or otherwise bigoted, I'm going to speak my mind.

Of course, I fully support your free speech and your ability to call whoever you want a racist. However you can't argue that you are in favor of political correctness because it's respectful dialog and at the same time call people racist all will nilly. Calling someone a racist isn't respectful. That's where political correctness loses me. It seems more a cover for people to be insulting and offended at the same time. I actually think political correctness is a attempt to do exactly what you say, control the reactions and actions of others or at the very least control their speech.

[Mermaid]

As a Trump supporter myself I'm not going to call you any names, and would actually like to hear your concerns about Trump. Honestly I'd like to hear the specifics which would be good to talk about so we could find some common ground and maybe I could help remove some of the fears, or at least give you the opportunity to talk. I promise to not be judgemental on your thread, and just would really like to hear about what is troubling you.

I'll bite:
-He's a classic narcissist who cannot handle any sort of criticism at all. Examples: The comments about having small hands, the SNL skits, the Vanity Fair article. His tweets are painful. While he is tweeting stupid things, Aleppo is being bombed to smithereens while we watch live on Twitter. He isn't president yet, but he could at least have a modicum of sensitivity to that and shut the fuck up on Twitter about his retarded thoughts.
-His total disregard for any sort of diplomatic precedent is going to get us fucking killed.
-His proposal that Muslims be registered somehow....Too much no in that to even think about.
-His RETARDED proposal to "build a wall"
-He is "too smart" for intelligence briefings. Is is Candid Camera? What the fuck is that?!
-He's a sexist pig. Do I need to elaborate?
-His cabinet appointments are terrifying. Climate change deniers, evolution deniers, Big Business moguls, anti-choice, uber-Christian women-controlling dirtbags.
-Most of what he says doesn't make any sense. I'm going to be the greatest president, believe me. I am going to be great, bigly. In an unpresidented way. He says all sorts of shit that is either completely false or has no substance.
I'll stop there for now.

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You can say whatever you please. It's a free country. At least for the moment anyway. That doesn't mean you can control the reactions and actions of others. If I perceive something is racist or otherwise bigoted, I'm going to speak my mind.

Of course, I fully support your free speech and your ability to call whoever you want a racist. However you can't argue that you are in favor of political correctness because it's respectful dialog and at the same time call people racist all will nilly. Calling someone a racist isn't respectful. That's where political correctness loses me. It seems more a cover for people to be insulting and offended at the same time.

If you say something racist, you risk being called a racist. If you don't think it's racist and someone tells you it's offensive and you keep saying it, you're an asshole. It's not complicated.

[CapnAwesome]

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Of course, I fully support your free speech and your ability to call whoever you want a racist. However you can't argue that you are in favor of political correctness because it's respectful dialog and at the same time call people racist all will nilly. Calling someone a racist isn't respectful. That's where political correctness loses me. It seems more a cover for people to be insulting and offended at the same time.

If you say something racist, you risk being called a racist.

You risk being called a racist almost regardless of what you do and say nowadays. You have to acknowledge that it's offensive to call someone a racist. So it's a hard sell to say you are in favor of respectful dialog and yet also in favor of calling lots of people racists. I'm not a racist at all, yet I can hardly criticize Islam without being called a racist online, which offends me greatly. So you can't be in favor of respectful dialog and call people racist. It's not respectful dialog. That's why free speech and political correctness will always be at odds with one another.

[scoobysnack]

As a Trump supporter myself I'm not going to call you any names, and would actually like to hear your concerns about Trump. Honestly I'd like to hear the specifics which would be good to talk about so we could find some common ground and maybe I could help remove some of the fears, or at least give you the opportunity to talk. I promise to not be judgemental on your thread, and just would really like to hear about what is troubling you.

I'll bite:
-He's a classic narcissist who cannot handle any sort of criticism at all. Examples: The comments about having small hands, the SNL skits, the Vanity Fair article. His tweets are painful. While he is tweeting stupid things, Aleppo is being bombed to smithereens while we watch live on Twitter. He isn't president yet, but he could at least have a modicum of sensitivity to that and shut the fuck up on Twitter about his retarded thoughts.
-His total disregard for any sort of diplomatic precedent is going to get us fucking killed.
-His proposal that Muslims be registered somehow....Too much no in that to even think about.
-His RETARDED proposal to "build a wall"
-He is "too smart" for intelligence briefings. Is is Candid Camera? What the fuck is that?!
-He's a sexist pig. Do I need to elaborate?
-His cabinet appointments are terrifying. Climate change deniers, evolution deniers, Big Business moguls, anti-choice, uber-Christian women-controlling dirtbags.

I'll stop there for now.

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Of course, I fully support your free speech and your ability to call whoever you want a racist. However you can't argue that you are in favor of political correctness because it's respectful dialog and at the same time call people racist all will nilly. Calling someone a racist isn't respectful. That's where political correctness loses me. It seems more a cover for people to be insulting and offended at the same time.

If you say something racist, you risk being called a racist.

OK, well thanks for the response. I agree he should calm the rhetoric and act more diplomatically, but kind of enjoy a non politician being real. Understand the concerns though of how others perceive it, trust me I do.

Regarding the Muslims, that's really just the Muslim refugees that are coming in, not really all Muslim citizens. It's a response to ISIS threats to infiltrate refugees to infiltrate their target nations.

We already have a fence on our southern border, so the wall would just be reinforcing what we have to protect national sovereignty. Kind of comes down to protecting American tax payer interests and security issues. I understand some people think we should have no borders because we are all people, but that is simply not viable due to other factors such as trade deficits, and actual security.

He's getting intel briefings actually from the DNI which is the umbrella organization which covers all intel agencies. Also keep in mind under the NDAA the law was reversed that propaganda which before was only lawful to be spread to other nations can now be spread in our news media. Granted it's been going on forever, but now it's lawful.

Sexist? Sure I guess but what man or women isn't the same. Are you saying you don't talk about guys or girls with your girlfriends in a way that you may be embarrassed to talk about publicly? 

All that being said, I do understand the concerns and not discounting them as illegitimate. I'm more interested in building the economy, and reversing the trade deficit we have, which will bring economic security and freedom to all citizens along with prosperity which should alleviate some of the social justice inequality we have. That's one thing the progressive left doesn't focus on. What's best for all of America. Not what's best for just certain groups. Find the root cause of the problems and offer cures rather then bandaids. It's not just racism or the patriarchy. What are the principles that all humans want? That's what we should focus on as we move forward.

[Mermaid]

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If you say something racist, you risk being called a racist.

You risk being called a racist almost regardless of what you do and say nowadays. You have to acknowledge that it's offensive to call someone a racist. So it's a hard sell to say you are in favor of respectful dialog and yet also in favor of calling lots of people racists. I'm not a racist at all, yet I can hardly criticize Islam without being called a racist online, which offends me greatly. So you can't be in favor of respectful dialog and call people racist. It's not respectful dialog. That's why free speech and political correctness will always be at odds with one another.

Free speech = freedom from being persecuted or arrested for speaking freely. That's it. It is not freedom from criticism.

Have you ever thought about what you are saying that is causing people to call you racist? Consider that what you are saying may actually be racist.
That being said, you can't say anything without offending SOMEONE. That's just the way it works. In this age of rapid communication and information, that's only going to be amplified.

[Minimalist]

I would invite you to believe that Trump isn't as bad as you think he is, nore are his voters.

So far the Orange Turd has demonstrated that he is every bit as bad as I thought he would be.... and his voters are fucking morons for believing his bullshit.

[Aroura]

Something I have mulled over since Trump first started running...is he really an adoration or is this exactly what happens when an empire starts to fold? This is a society built on slavery and its close cousin, crony capitalism. The republic outlined in the constitution was never meant to be a democracy, and never has been much of one. America has always been a society ruled by the elites with the sole purpose of serving their interests, and we now have an administration that fully demonstrates that fundamental truth. The very foundations of this society are unstable and untenable. There are not enough resources on the planet to maintain this level of consumerism and waste, and trying to appropriate them for the privileged few can only lead, ultimately, to a nuclear war.

It may well be, on the larger scale of human evolution on this little rock, that the fall of the US empire is not only inevitable, but necessary for the species to survive much longer. In that light, is the kamikaze corruption and head long rush over the cliff of the Trump administration really that surprising, or even that terrible?

The only real question is how each of us as individuals who were born into this society at this time, respond. Is there any way to overcome our history and actually build a just and progressive society out of what we have? Or should we sit back and let it fall?

This is a thought I've had, and it's oddly comforting.
Our whole society is a disaster of consumerism, so perhaps it's time for it end. Then again, if we are looking at the really big picture, an epidemic that kills 2/3 of the global population might be seen as not that terrible, as it would probably help save humans and the world they live in from their own self destruction, at least for a little while.
I really do hope that it has a long term net positive benefit.  I probably won't be around to see anything but the short term negatives, though.

I honestly have no idea what my response should be.  I will always be there to help those near me, but should I get involved on a larger scale to try and stop it?  My husband says no, don't get involved.  ~shrug~ It's really hard to know what to do.

[Mermaid]

I'll bite:
-He's a classic narcissist who cannot handle any sort of criticism at all. Examples: The comments about having small hands, the SNL skits, the Vanity Fair article. His tweets are painful. While he is tweeting stupid things, Aleppo is being bombed to smithereens while we watch live on Twitter. He isn't president yet, but he could at least have a modicum of sensitivity to that and shut the fuck up on Twitter about his retarded thoughts.
-His total disregard for any sort of diplomatic precedent is going to get us fucking killed.
-His proposal that Muslims be registered somehow....Too much no in that to even think about.
-His RETARDED proposal to "build a wall"
-He is "too smart" for intelligence briefings. Is is Candid Camera? What the fuck is that?!
-He's a sexist pig. Do I need to elaborate?
-His cabinet appointments are terrifying. Climate change deniers, evolution deniers, Big Business moguls, anti-choice, uber-Christian women-controlling dirtbags.

I'll stop there for now.

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If you say something racist, you risk being called a racist.

OK, well thanks for the response. I agree he should calm the rhetoric and act more diplomatically, but kind of enjoy a non politician being real. Understand the concerns though of how others perceive it, trust me I do.

Regarding the Muslims, that's really just the Muslim refugees that are coming in, not really all Muslim citizens. It's a response to ISIS threats to infiltrate refugees to infiltrate their target nations.

We already have a fence on our southern border, so the wall would just be reinforcing what we have to protect national sovereignty. Kind of comes down to protecting American tax payer interests and security issues. I understand some people think we should have no borders because we are all people, but that is simply not viable due to other factors such as trade deficits, and actual security.

He's getting intel briefings actually from the DNI which is the umbrella organization which covers all intel agencies. Also keep in mind under the NDAA the law was reversed that propaganda which before was only lawful to be spread to other nations can now be spread in our news media. Granted it's been going on forever, but now it's lawful.

Sexist? Sure I guess but what man or women isn't the same. Are you saying you don't talk about guys or girls with your girlfriends in a way that you may be embarrassed to talk about publicly? 

All that being said, I do understand the concerns and not discounting them as illegitimate. I'm more interested in building the economy, and reversing the trade deficit we have, which will bring economic security and freedom to all citizens along with prosperity which should alleviate some of the social justice inequality we have. That's one thing the progressive left doesn't focus on. What's best for all of America. Not what's best for just certain groups. Find the root cause of the problems and offer cures rather then bandaids. It's not just racism or the patriarchy. What are the principles that all humans want? That's what we should focus on as we move forward.

Your arguing every point only comes across as condescending.

He can't complete a sentence. He's a mentally ill, inarticulate, naive man who does not represent more than half the country. This is a serious problem, this divide. A very serious problem. More than half the voters have been disenfranchised, and that's just not good. This is not the same as when Bush upset Kerry in 2004. Not by a longshot.

[Aroura]

There are people who would've felt the exact same as you had Hillary won. They would've thought every thought you outlined in the OP, only with Trump and Hillary reversed.

I would invite you to believe that Trump isn't as bad as you think he is, nore are his voters. As well I would invite you to believe that the reason you think he's so awful is because you buy into hysteria and bias in media. Anyway, that someone prefers Trump over Hillary doesn't necessitate that they think he's great; only that he's the lesser evil. Remember that when you think to judge.

Lol, yeah right.  All you have to do is read up on nut jobs he's filling his cabinet positions with to see that we're totally screwed.  Conspiracy theorists, mysogenists, and fucking climate change deniers (in charge of the EPA for fuck's sake).  Yeah, no, you're right.  It's gonna be totally fine.  

I'm sooo tired of hearing how it's going to be fine.  Or how people felt this way when Obama won, or would felt this way when Hillary won.
Do they live in some fairy land where war is peace and lies are truth?  Turns out, YES, YES THEY DO!

A bunch of psychiatrists say this is not the same, not at all. And this is partly why.  They dismiss our concerns, say give him a chance.  I already gave him a chance, then he made his cabinet picks, chance over.  This isn't like 2000.  I didn't like Bush, and was disappointed. I got over it.  This IS NOT THE SAME.

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Lol, did Trump really just give away a multimillion dollar secret weapon to China via Twitter?

I just saw this on the news.  Perfect example

Right, but he's just another president,and it's all going to be ok, amirite?