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Who was "he" talking to?
#81
RE: Who was "he" talking to?
(11th January 2017, 14:24)downbeatplumb Wrote:
(6th January 2017, 16:33)Godschild Wrote: What's fantasy here is you believe that this woman robbed him of his strength.


Now let me explain what I said above. As you posted Samson took a vow to God and then broke that vow, he sinned against God and God took his power. Delilah was an instrument in God's work, if you hadn't given up on the rest of the story you might have seen what I'm explaining. Samson's power was restored even though his hair had been cut off, the whole time it was God's power within Samson, some of the same power that created the universe.

GC

Now let me explain what it says in the bible, it says he lost his power by her cutting his hair.

But also, the whole story is just stupid, I am struggling to understand how a grown person can even for a second find it convincing.

(11th January 2017, 13:28)Tazzycorn Wrote: Like, for instance, the fact that he's god's most loyal and abused servant. No matter what god wants done, Satan jumps to it; no matter what evil he wants committed, Satan tries to fulfill it. And even at that he is only in the bush leagues compared to god when it comes to killing innocents only killing ten people to more than 2.5 million (not including the flood where uncounted millions were killed).

Aren't you lucky you worship a being from a fictional fantasy folio?

Isnt satan working for god as his jailor!
Isnt it supposed to be an angel who sends people to hell!

The whole Satan rebelling against god thing is an invention of later christianity, largely popularised by people like John Milton (which is ironic given his hardline protestantism, sola scriptura and all that). Hell, or its equivalent isn't mentioned in the OT (in fact the jewish equivalent of hell, Gehenna, was likely invented in response to the christian version) so there's nowhere for Satan to rule. And if you look at the gospels, everything he does to Jesus is what yhwh tells him to do.
Soulless minion of orthodoxy.
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#82
RE: Who was "he" talking to?
(11th January 2017, 09:58)Godschild Wrote: You are not thinking about man's sinful nature.God is calling man from his natural state and Satan sets up a way for man to remain in his natural state and separated from God.

Sin is our natural state? I was under the impression that the Christian belief is that perfection is our natural state, but that it was stripped from Adam and Eve and humanity inherited it as a result. In any case, if it is our fallen nature that places such a large obstacle in our path, then isn't God obligated to make it easier to find him? I didn't eat from the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge; Eve did. If my inability to connect with God is due to this flaw --handed down to me as punishment for someone else's crime-- and God is not compensating for this flaw, he is leaving me in the hands of his arch-enemy, someone who wins a minor victory every time another soul is lost. If God wants us all to be saved, he is acting against his own desires.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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#83
RE: Who was "he" talking to?
(12th January 2017, 09:04)Tonus Wrote:
(11th January 2017, 09:58)Godschild Wrote: You are not thinking about man's sinful nature.God is calling man from his natural state and Satan sets up a way for man to remain in his natural state and separated from God.

Sin is our natural state? I was under the impression that the Christian belief is that perfection is our natural state, but that it was stripped from Adam and Eve and humanity inherited it as a result. In any case, if it is our fallen nature that places such a large obstacle in our path, then isn't God obligated to make it easier to find him? I didn't eat from the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge; Eve did. If my inability to connect with God is due to this flaw --handed down to me as punishment for someone else's crime-- and God is not compensating for this flaw, he is leaving me in the hands of his arch-enemy, someone who wins a minor victory every time another soul is lost. If God wants us all to be saved, he is acting against his own desires.

God paid the ultimate price because of the fall, in doing so He made it easy to once again be restored to Him through Jesus and the grace that's extended to us. I know that atheist do not believe God paid a price of any kind, this has been argued here time and again and there is no need to rehash it. God does extend an invitation to all who seek Him and all one has to do is simple accept.

GC
Friedrich Nietzsche is dead and by the study of scripture so will his lies die... GOD

A casual stroll through hell proves that faith is everything...GOD

If anyone here or someone you know has an addiction and wants to talk or find help you can P.M. me and we can go from there.
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#84
RE: Who was "he" talking to?
(12th January 2017, 10:29)Godschild Wrote: God paid the ultimate price because of the fall, in doing so He made it easy to once again be restored to Him through Jesus and the grace that's extended to us. I know that atheist do not believe God paid a price of any kind, this has been argued here time and again and there is no need to rehash it. God does extend an invitation to all who seek Him and all one has to do is simple accept.

Yes, but the impression I am getting is that the invitation is not very clear because so many people do not find the right god. And many who seek do not find the right god, or any god at all. It does not seem as if God made it easy to be saved, unless he is willing to accept that his invitation is vague and many who tried to find him could not. Then he could have a contingency for those who sought him but did not find him, especially for those who sought him and fell into the hands of his adversary, which seems like a very cruel prank to play on people.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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#85
RE: Who was "he" talking to?
(13th January 2017, 08:54)Tonus Wrote:
(12th January 2017, 10:29)Godschild Wrote: God paid the ultimate price because of the fall, in doing so He made it easy to once again be restored to Him through Jesus and the grace that's extended to us. I know that atheist do not believe God paid a price of any kind, this has been argued here time and again and there is no need to rehash it. God does extend an invitation to all who seek Him and all one has to do is simple accept.

Yes, but the impression I am getting is that the invitation is not very clear because so many people do not find the right god.  And many who seek do not find the right god, or any god at all.  It does not seem as if God made it easy to be saved, unless he is willing to accept that his invitation is vague and many who tried to find him could not.  Then he could have a contingency for those who sought him but did not find him, especially for those who sought him and fell into the hands of his adversary, which seems like a very cruel prank to play on people.

A contingency plan?!? Be reasonable, man! There's only so much a loving, all-knowing, all-powerful god can be expected to do!

It's much simpler to leave the Rube Goldberg Salvation Plan in place, and sort 'em out later.





 
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#86
RE: Who was "he" talking to?
(13th January 2017, 08:54)Tonus Wrote:
(12th January 2017, 10:29)Godschild Wrote:


Yes, but the impression I am getting is that the invitation is not very clear because so many people do not find the right god. And many who seek do not find the right god, or any god at all. It does not seem as if God made it easy to be saved, unless he is willing to accept that his invitation is vague and many who tried to find him could not. Then he could have a contingency for those who sought him but did not find him, especially for those who sought him and fell into the hands of his adversary, which seems like a very cruel prank to play on people.

It's not a head ie. mind thing it's a invitation through the spirit, a conviction of one's need for God's saving grace. Until a person is willing to admit he/she is a sinner against God they will not receive salvation. Seeking out the God of the Bible means one is looking for a change in their life, God comes to those who are willing to accept Him. Only those who are saved have protection from the "adversary," only the saved have been delivered from his hands. The lost have always been in the clutches of the "adversary" and can only escape by willing searching out the God who has complete power over him, this is the reason God is the only true God, no other god can save you from Satan's death grip. Playing games in this life about the reality of God has deadly consequences in this life and the next.

GC

(13th January 2017, 09:43)Crossless1 Wrote:
(13th January 2017, 08:54)Tonus Wrote:


A contingency plan?!? Be reasonable, man! There's only so much a loving, all-knowing, all-powerful god can be expected to do!

It's much simpler to leave the Rube Goldberg Salvation Plan in place, and sort 'em out later.

God will do the sorting later,when it's to late, He will sort the sheep from the goats and believe me at that time you will wish you were one of the sheep.

GC
Friedrich Nietzsche is dead and by the study of scripture so will his lies die... GOD

A casual stroll through hell proves that faith is everything...GOD

If anyone here or someone you know has an addiction and wants to talk or find help you can P.M. me and we can go from there.
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#87
RE: Who was "he" talking to?
(13th January 2017, 13:43)Godschild Wrote: It's not a head ie. mind thing it's a invitation through the spirit, a conviction of one's need for God's saving grace. Until a person is willing to admit he/she is a sinner against God they will not receive salvation. Seeking out the God of the Bible means one is looking for a change in their life, God comes to those who are willing to accept Him. Only those who are saved have protection from the "adversary," only the saved have been delivered from his hands. The lost have always been in the clutches of the "adversary" and can only escape by willing searching out the God who has complete power over him, this is the reason God is the only true God, no other god can save you from Satan's death grip. Playing games in this life about the reality of God has deadly consequences in this life and the next.

This sounds like what someone else mentioned earlier in the thread-- that you must believe first, then God will reveal himself. First, you must decide that you are a sinner in need of God's grace, then you must prepare yourself to accept him. And only then will you be able to interpret the events in your life as God's guidance. It's not that God shows up and reveals himself directly as a reward for blind faith; faith itself makes us see him, whether he is there or not. In the past, God spoke directly to people in his spirit form and performed miracles that people could see. When he presented himself in human form he continued to perform miracles, including the healing of paralyzed and blind people and the restoring to life of the dead. Today he works in ways that are so subtle that it is impossible to distinguish them from coincidence or bias.

Considering what is at stake, if God really wanted everyone to be saved he could easily take steps to make that happen. If he is real, then he doesn't want very many people to be saved.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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#88
RE: Who was "he" talking to?
(14th January 2017, 09:41)Tonus Wrote:
(13th January 2017, 13:43)Godschild Wrote:



Considering what is at stake, if God really wanted everyone to be saved he could easily take steps to make that happen. If he is real, then he doesn't want very many people to be saved.


Considering what's a stake I would think you would search for the truth and want to be saved. Salvation is much more than going to heaven, most atheist believe that heaven is the only result and thus miss out on the reality of salvation. Salvation is having a loving relationship with God and He is the one who begins that relationship with love, it's why you hear Christians say, "savior and Lord," without the love salvation would be nothing. Again, because of what's at stake why do you chance you're the one that's correct.

GC
Friedrich Nietzsche is dead and by the study of scripture so will his lies die... GOD

A casual stroll through hell proves that faith is everything...GOD

If anyone here or someone you know has an addiction and wants to talk or find help you can P.M. me and we can go from there.
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#89
RE: Who was "he" talking to?
Unrequited love is just stalking, GC. If "what's at stake" is the love of a being whose love I do not desire...then there is nothing at stake in the first place.
 “I can’t even go to a goddamn potluck without having to thank some space fairy for the broccoli casserole!” -Trae Crowder


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#90
RE: Who was "he" talking to?
(14th January 2017, 11:23)Khemikal Wrote: Unrequited love is just stalking, GC. If "what's at stake" is the love of a being whose love I do not desire...then there is nothing at stake in the first place.

You have no choice He loves you no matter how much you dislike it, you might as well get use to it you can't change.
What's at stake is more of love than you can possibly understand.

GC
Friedrich Nietzsche is dead and by the study of scripture so will his lies die... GOD

A casual stroll through hell proves that faith is everything...GOD

If anyone here or someone you know has an addiction and wants to talk or find help you can P.M. me and we can go from there.
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