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Poor Old Bibi Can't Catch A Break
#41
RE: Poor Old Bibi Can't Catch A Break
(January 5, 2017 at 11:43 am)A Theist Wrote: I also see who they're surrounded by too. Hostile Arab countries who have touted their dedication to wiping Israel off the map.

Egypt and Jordan, diplomatic relations and treaties. Lebanon, not hostile and far too weak and divided to present any opposition. Syria, the only country disputing Israel's rights, but at the same time occupied with a bloody civil war.

So this is an entirely internal struggle over occupied territory with militias, not some bilateral affair.
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RE: Poor Old Bibi Can't Catch A Break
(January 5, 2017 at 12:20 pm)abaris Wrote:
(January 5, 2017 at 11:43 am)A Theist Wrote: I also see who they're surrounded by too. Hostile Arab countries who have touted their dedication to wiping Israel off the map.

Egypt and Jordan, diplomatic relations and treaties. Lebanon, not hostile and far too weak and divided to present any opposition. Syria, the only country disputing Israel's rights, but at the same time occupied with a bloody civil war.

So this is an entirely internal struggle over occupied territory with militias, not some bilateral affair.

Lebanon is the puppet and strategic launch pad for attacks against Israel from both Iran and Syria. Iran and Syria are allies and both are sworn enemies to Israel. I doubt that either Egypt or Jordan would get involved if there were a conflict to erupt between Isarael, Syria, and Iran.
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RE: Poor Old Bibi Can't Catch A Break
(January 5, 2017 at 1:31 pm)A Theist Wrote: Lebanon is the puppet and strategic launch pad for attacks against Israel from both Iran and Syria. Iran and Syria are allies and both are sworn enemies to Israel.

Does it look to you as if Syria wouldn't have other concerns. It's not about states but about groups. And these groups get encouraged by Bibi's policy. There has never been a better recruiting program than hate. And it's a natural reaction to hate the ones killing your family and destroying your livelihood. Netanjahu does everything to perpetuate a state of war, since, as with every rightwinger, in lack of a better program, the only way to survive is fear.
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RE: Poor Old Bibi Can't Catch A Break
I have two n00b question to Boru:

1. What's a "Bibi"?

2. What's a "Wubby"?

Thank you for your time Oh Magnificent One ™
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RE: Poor Old Bibi Can't Catch A Break
(January 5, 2017 at 1:42 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: I have two n00b question to Boru:

1. What's a "Bibi"?

2. What's a "Wubby"?

Thank you for your time Oh Magnificent One ™

"Bibi" is short for Benjamin as in Benjamin Netanyahu PM of Israel.

"Wubby" I have no idea about that.

(January 5, 2017 at 11:43 am)A Theist Wrote:
(January 5, 2017 at 11:19 am)abaris Wrote: My family was on the receiving end of antisemitism. That doesn't change the fact that criticizing the Israeli government for acting like shitstains isn't antisemitism. You just have to look with whom they share their bed to stay in power.

It's a political statement and it doesn't mean every Israeli, let alone every jew, was in cahoots with Netanjahu and cronies and should be criticized or blamed. To say something like that would indeed be antisemitism, but noone does that.
I also see who they're surrounded by too. Hostile Arab countries who have touted their dedication to wiping Israel off the map. These same Arab countries who abuse, torture, and murder women, Christians, homosexuals, atheists, etc...who don't adhere to their particular brand of islam. But that seems to be okay with the UN and the world community. Only Israel should be condemned. I see. Cowards, for not calling out other nations like Syria, Iran, China, North Korea, and other nations who are far more blatant in committing human rights violations. The UN is a biased and worthless hatemongering organization of murdering nations. The quicker the U.S. defunds them, the better.

Nobody here supports the idea of a theocracy. But no, bullshit blanket presumption of guilt of individuals is not a tactic. Funny how you are bitching about their fear of outsiders and here you are pulling the same bullshit. But at least you don't throw gays off rooftops? Is that it? At least you don't do honor killings of women but still want to control their bodies? Seems that our Conservative Christians here in the states like the same things, controlling women and hate of LGBT.

You really don't know your own history do you? You think America has always been so progressive? FUCK NO, there was a time in this country where OUR Christians used the bible to ban interracial marriage and justified segregation. There was a time when OUR police would conduct raids on gays, beat them up and throw them in jail. Harvey Milk was murdered by a political rival because he didn't like a gay man defeating him in politics.

There was a time when Susan B Anthony got the shit beat out of her by sexist right wing bigoted Christians who didn't want a woman to vote.

There was a time in the colonies where innocent girls and women were accused by Christian men of being witches.

Genocide of Native Americans also, and we have asshole Andrew Jackson on our money, a sicko who marched 10,000 Native Americans off their land, and thousands died in the "Trail of Tears".

Still wan't to go pointing fingers now? I really would suggest you read your own bible before you point fingers at others.

Now, if you want to go after violent individuals, or violent sects, or attack the words in the Koran that do justify violence, that is one thing. But no, you are an asshole if you think fighting their demagoguery with your own demagoguery is a valid tactic. 

You are advocating becoming the monster you say we are fighting. No, I refuse to lower myself to that standard.

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RE: Poor Old Bibi Can't Catch A Break
(January 5, 2017 at 6:29 pm)Brian37 Wrote:
(January 5, 2017 at 1:42 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: I have two n00b question to Boru:

1. What's a "Bibi"?

2. What's a "Wubby"?

Thank you for your time Oh Magnificent One ™

"Bibi" is short for Benjamin as in Benjamin Netanyahu PM of Israel.

"Wubby" I have no idea about that.

(January 5, 2017 at 11:43 am)A Theist Wrote: I also see who they're surrounded by too. Hostile Arab countries who have touted their dedication to wiping Israel off the map. These same Arab countries who abuse, torture, and murder women, Christians, homosexuals, atheists, etc...who don't adhere to their particular brand of islam. But that seems to be okay with the UN and the world community. Only Israel should be condemned. I see. Cowards, for not calling out other nations like Syria, Iran, China, North Korea, and other nations who are far more blatant in committing human rights violations. The UN is a biased and worthless hatemongering organization of murdering nations. The quicker the U.S. defunds them, the better.

Nobody here supports the idea of a theocracy. But no, bullshit blanket presumption of guilt of individuals is not a tactic. Funny how you are bitching about their fear of outsiders and here you are pulling the same bullshit. But at least you don't throw gays off rooftops? Is that it? At least you don't do honor killings of women but still want to control their bodies? Seems that our Conservative Christians here in the states like the same things, controlling women and hate of LGBT.

You really don't know your own history do you? You think America has always been so progressive? FUCK NO, there was a time in this country where OUR Christians used the bible to ban interracial marriage and justified segregation. There was a time when OUR police would conduct raids on gays, beat them up and throw them in jail. Harvey Milk was murdered by a political rival because he didn't like a gay man defeating him in politics.

There was a time when Susan B Anthony got the shit beat out of her by sexist right wing bigoted Christians who didn't want a woman to vote.

There was a time in the colonies where innocent girls and women were accused by Christian men of being witches.

Genocide of Native Americans also, and we have asshole Andrew Jackson on our money, a sicko who marched 10,000 Native Americans off their land, and thousands died in the "Trail of Tears".

Still wan't to go pointing fingers now? I really would suggest you read your own bible before you point fingers at others.

Now, if you want to go after violent individuals, or violent sects, or attack the words in the Koran that do justify violence, that is one thing. But no, you are an asshole if you think fighting their demagoguery with your own demagoguery is a valid tactic. 

You are advocating becoming the monster you say we are fighting. No, I refuse to lower myself to that standard.

Ok Frank Burns?

Is A high the UN condemns all the above

And his statement is a clear red herring
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