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Heated debate on evolution with brother
#51
RE: Heated debate on evolution with brother
(January 4, 2017 at 11:57 am)pocaracas Wrote:
(January 4, 2017 at 11:44 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: Well, what then do you say about basilosaurus?
[Image: NHB2010-03659_BasilosaurusOceansHall.jpg]
Notice the tiny, vestigial hind limbs...

Aligator tail, Whale body, crocodile head with some shark teeth and some dolphin teeth, too.
The limbs seem to come from an otter.

Check-mate, atheists!

sounds just like creationist

(January 4, 2017 at 10:45 am)Alex K Wrote:
(January 3, 2017 at 2:17 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: It would seem that a number of people have noticed this.  I would also add the it appears that quite a few who practice medicine also fall into the same category.  Which has lead me to ask before, if those in applied sciences are more likely to deny evolution?

Yes you're right, as we've seen in the US presidential race, one can be a great surgeon and still be an evolution denying creationist. Maybe it's that these groups are very highly educated in a science related field (but often don't actually do science in the strictest sense). The engineer is entirely focused on analyzing design and will interpret things she sees in this frame of reference. A surgeon is confronted with the great complexity of life and has to work and struggle with it, and sees herself as an expert on how life works - not having gotten any in depth training on how such complexity can arise naturally, she might feel compelled to jump to creationist conclusions.

True they see the forest but not the trees
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

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#52
RE: Heated debate on evolution with brother
(January 4, 2017 at 7:37 am)Alex K Wrote: Jerry Coyne
Why Evolution is True

He writes very well and is a world expert on evolutionary genetics, arguably a researcher of greater scientific import than Dawkins. The book has the virtue of being relatively short compared to some of Dawkins' tomes like TGSOE and Ancestor's Tale, and it is more up to date than Dawkins' older works.
As stated before, he will reject Coyne as a liberal atheist bent on destroying Christianity.
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#53
RE: Heated debate on evolution with brother
You can tell when someone is utterly mentally locked down when they explain away, on the spot, things they have been completely unaware of until that point.

Reality is the enemy of Christianity. Science is just the pair of hands holding up the "spot the difference" slides.
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#54
RE: Heated debate on evolution with brother
(January 4, 2017 at 11:11 pm)MyelinSheath Wrote:
(January 4, 2017 at 7:37 am)Alex K Wrote: Jerry Coyne
Why Evolution is True

He writes very well and is a world expert on evolutionary genetics, arguably a researcher of greater scientific import than Dawkins. The book has the virtue of being relatively short compared to some of Dawkins' tomes like TGSOE and Ancestor's Tale, and it is more up to date than Dawkins' older works.
As stated before, he will reject Coyne as a liberal atheist bent on destroying Christianity.

Then essentially he's not interested in learning anything he just wants sources that will reaffirm his already established beliefs and will not look out side the box. can we say generic fallacy
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#55
RE: Heated debate on evolution with brother
Wilfully ignorant? Point and laugh. The emotional path will yield far greater results than logic at this point.
Of course you might be in for a long walk...
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#56
RE: Heated debate on evolution with brother
(January 5, 2017 at 6:45 pm)Mr Greene Wrote: Wilfully ignorant? Point and laugh. The emotional path will yield far greater results than logic at this point.
Of course you might be in for a long walk...

A Looooong walk
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

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#57
RE: Heated debate on evolution with brother
(January 4, 2017 at 11:11 pm)MyelinSheath Wrote:
(January 4, 2017 at 7:37 am)Alex K Wrote: Jerry Coyne
Why Evolution is True

He writes very well and is a world expert on evolutionary genetics, arguably a researcher of greater scientific import than Dawkins. The book has the virtue of being relatively short compared to some of Dawkins' tomes like TGSOE and Ancestor's Tale, and it is more up to date than Dawkins' older works.
As stated before, he will reject Coyne as a liberal atheist bent on destroying Christianity.


Ok, then try Ken Miller

https://www.amazon.com/Finding-Darwins-G...0061233501

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KM is a pretty devout Christian and very competent evolutionist who famously was instrumental in dismantling Intelligent Design in court during the seminal Dover trial.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition

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#58
RE: Heated debate on evolution with brother
(January 5, 2017 at 6:51 pm)Alex K Wrote:
(January 4, 2017 at 11:11 pm)MyelinSheath Wrote: As stated before, he will reject Coyne as a liberal atheist bent on destroying Christianity.


Ok, then try Ken Miller

https://www.amazon.com/Finding-Darwins-G...0061233501


KM is a pretty devout Christian and very competent evolutionist who famously was instrumental in dismantling Intelligent Design in court during the seminal Dover trial.

"Oh no he's a catholic they are comprised and corrupted by evil evolutionist thinking only those who worship the man god Ken Ham are worthy of the title true believer "  Dodgy
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

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#59
RE: Heated debate on evolution with brother
Sorry, Catholic will have to do for now. Francis Collins is evangelical protestant, but I don't know whether he's written a suitable book for our purposes.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
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RE: Heated debate on evolution with brother
(January 5, 2017 at 7:04 pm)Alex K Wrote: Sorry, Catholic will have to do for now. Francis Collins is evangelical protestant, but I don't know whether he's written a suitable book for our purposes.

He has a couple

But creationists will just complain Collins is Main Line Christian they are also Corrupt

I know it's BS but it's how they dismiss any Christian who opposes them your either not devout enough or corrupt

Sigh Undecided
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