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Heated debate on evolution with brother
#81
RE: Heated debate on evolution with brother
The Noticeable Embiggening
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#82
RE: Heated debate on evolution with brother
(January 11, 2017 at 10:48 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote: Yeah it was called the big bang n a kind of mockingly "What so everything just exploded out of nothing?" kind of way.... just like creationists retards are all like "What so you think we're all the products of chance?"

Giving rise to idiots who are somehow able to breathe and ask things like "where did the rocks come from to make the bang?" and "if there was a Big Bang, how come it didn't kill the aliens?"
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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#83
RE: Heated debate on evolution with brother
(January 11, 2017 at 10:49 am)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: The Noticeable Embiggening

Why, thank you!
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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#84
RE: Heated debate on evolution with brother
(January 8, 2017 at 3:15 am)snowtracks Wrote:  Can't have cell nucleus developed without a cell membrane and cell wall (extremely complex has nine layers and has openings for exits and entrances which do not allow everything to enter) to protect the nucleus and the membrane/wall can't form without something inside. Can't have a brain without thought (by the way what was the first thought? must have been quite an event) and vice versa. The compound eye appeared suddenly in the Cambrian explosion. It came as a package deal. What good is a retina by itself? Or ocular muscles without a lens? Yet, according to Darwin it could not come as a package. If it did, it would violate the very criteria he established for his theory that living structures had to be capable of evolving in small incremental steps. No progression of eye designs from simple to complex has ever been produced in the natural or fossil world.

Yeah like some other members mentioned "why don't you read a science book? why don't you look at the evidence?" and the difference between me (or any other rational person) and you is that I take the world as it is, I rely on observable evidence; while you have an agenda. In your case it's that Jesus rose from the dead. You start with that foundational belief then conveniently sidestep logic and reason backward to specific beliefs. Everything has to subordinate so that your fundamentalism can be untouched. Therefore since Jesus divinity makes perfect sense to you, evolution can't because that is ultimately contradictory to divinity of Jesus.

Therefore you have to ask yourself why do you believe that Jesus rose from the dead and that it wasn't a case that people lied, someone ransacked the tomb, the witnesses were unreliable (of course if Jesus even existed)?
Seriously, What evidence would prove you that Jesus was not divine/rise from the dead?

That's why when you mostly talk to religious people that deny evolution, it is rarely about the evolution itself and showing them the evidence, rather it's about their bias, their core belief on which their worldview stands on.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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#85
RE: Heated debate on evolution with brother
(January 12, 2017 at 2:51 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:
(January 8, 2017 at 3:15 am)snowtracks Wrote:  Can't have cell nucleus developed without a cell membrane and cell wall (extremely complex has nine layers and has openings for exits and entrances which do not allow everything to enter) to protect the nucleus and the membrane/wall can't form without something inside. Can't have a brain without thought (by the way what was the first thought? must have been quite an event) and vice versa. The compound eye appeared suddenly in the Cambrian explosion. It came as a package deal. What good is a retina by itself? Or ocular muscles without a lens? Yet, according to Darwin it could not come as a package. If it did, it would violate the very criteria he established for his theory that living structures had to be capable of evolving in small incremental steps. No progression of eye designs from simple to complex has ever been produced in the natural or fossil world.

Yeah like some other members mentioned "why don't you read a science book? why don't you look at the evidence?" and the difference between me (or any other rational person) and you is that I take the world as it is, I rely on observable evidence; while you have an agenda. In your case it's that Jesus rose from the dead. You start with that foundational belief then conveniently sidestep logic and reason backward to specific beliefs. Everything has to subordinate so that your fundamentalism can be untouched. Therefore since Jesus divinity makes perfect sense to you, evolution can't because that is ultimately contradictory to divinity of Jesus.

Therefore you have to ask yourself why do you believe that Jesus rose from the dead and that it wasn't a case that people lied, someone ransacked the tomb, the witnesses were unreliable (of course if Jesus even existed)?
Seriously, What evidence would prove you that Jesus was not divine/rise from the dead?

That's why when you mostly talk to religious people that deny evolution, it is rarely about the evolution itself and showing them the evidence, rather it's about their bias, their core belief on which their worldview stands on. reply is non-sequitur to the topic.
Reply is non-sequitur to posting. Somehow the 'Resurrection' got brought-up, probably an agenda.
Atheist Credo: An universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.
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#86
RE: Heated debate on evolution with brother
(January 13, 2017 at 2:04 am)snowtracks Wrote: Reply is non-sequitur to posting. Somehow the 'Resurrection' got brought-up, probably an agenda.

So Jesus resurrection is non sequitur to your life? You do not base your beliefs on the Bible including the origin of human species?
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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#87
RE: Heated debate on evolution with brother
(January 3, 2017 at 5:01 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: If nothing else works, get a dozen or so trilobite fossils (you can find them fairly cheaply online), put them in a pillowcase and beat your brother soundly about the head and shoulders until he sees the light.

Boru

Funny thing is, you don't have to try very hard to "dismantle the Christian belief." You just have to sort of look around you and observe.

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It is the air and light of every heart – builder of every home, kindler of every fire on every hearth. It was the first to dream of immortality. It fills the world with melody – for music is the voice of love.

Love is the magician, the enchanter, that changes worthless things to Joy, and makes royal kings and queens of common clay. It is the perfume of that wondrous flower, the heart, and without that sacred passion, that divine swoon, we are less than beasts; but with it, earth is heaven, and we are gods.” - Robert. G. Ingersoll


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#88
RE: Heated debate on evolution with brother
(January 12, 2017 at 2:51 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:
(January 8, 2017 at 3:15 am)snowtracks Wrote:  Can't have cell nucleus developed without a cell membrane and cell wall (extremely complex has nine layers and has openings for exits and entrances which do not allow everything to enter) to protect the nucleus and the membrane/wall can't form without something inside. Can't have a brain without thought (by the way what was the first thought? must have been quite an event) and vice versa. The compound eye appeared suddenly in the Cambrian explosion. It came as a package deal. What good is a retina by itself? Or ocular muscles without a lens? Yet, according to Darwin it could not come as a package. If it did, it would violate the very criteria he established for his theory that living structures had to be capable of evolving in small incremental steps. No progression of eye designs from simple to complex has ever been produced in the natural or fossil world.

Yeah like some other members mentioned "why don't you read a science book? why don't you look at the evidence?" and the difference between me (or any other rational person) and you is that I take the world as it is, I rely on observable evidence; while you have an agenda. In your case it's that Jesus rose from the dead. You start with that foundational belief then conveniently sidestep logic and reason backward to specific beliefs. Everything has to subordinate so that your fundamentalism can be untouched. Therefore since Jesus divinity makes perfect sense to you, evolution can't because that is ultimately contradictory to divinity of Jesus.

Therefore you have to ask yourself why do you believe that Jesus rose from the dead and that it wasn't a case that people lied, someone ransacked the tomb, the witnesses were unreliable (of course if Jesus even existed)?
Seriously, What evidence would prove you that Jesus was not divine/rise from the dead?

That's why when you mostly talk to religious people that deny evolution, it is rarely about the evolution itself and showing them the evidence, rather it's about their bias, their core belief on which their worldview stands on.
No one has come close to showing that even the simplest living entity could possibly assemble itself.
Atheist Credo: An universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.
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#89
RE: Heated debate on evolution with brother
(February 11, 2017 at 8:23 pm)snowtracks Wrote: No one has come close to showing that even the simplest living entity could possibly assemble itself.
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Can I try, too?
No one has come close to showing that even the simplest god could possibly assemble itself.
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#90
RE: Heated debate on evolution with brother
(January 17, 2017 at 8:47 am)AceBoogie Wrote:
(January 3, 2017 at 5:01 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: If nothing else works, get a dozen or so trilobite fossils (you can find them fairly cheaply online), put them in a pillowcase and beat your brother soundly about the head and shoulders until he sees the light.

Boru

Funny thing is, you don't have to try very hard to "dismantle the Christian belief." You just have to sort of look around you and observe.

operator
Fossils support Biblical Creation. An example with be the Trilobites. They appeared suddenly without evidence of transitional forms. Naturalism propounds something like this:  "Trilobite Origins and Extinction: Trilobites probably arose from a soft bodied ancestor in the Pre-Cambrian. The first actual trilobites fossils found are from the Cambrian"*

The Cambrian period corresponds to the 5'th day ('day' here is a long but definite period of time'). Some 500 mya, the number of Earth’s animal phyla (a phylum designates life-forms sharing the same basic body plan) increased dramatically. Somewhere between 50 and 80 percent of all animal phyla ever to exist appeared.

So what's being proposed here is 'probably' a soft-bodied ancestor evolved to a fossil exoskeleton arthropod; however, there is no soft-bodied specimen, nor any somewhat fossilized specimen that can be presented. Without the fossils, evolution is just a proposal.
*http://www.fossilguy.com/gallery/invert/arthropod/trilobite/.
Atheist Credo: An universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.
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