Do religions represent God?

[Angrboda]

Yeah, no, you're full of shit here.  There are practicing religious and theoretical spiritualists.  The distinction you make doesn't exist.  Moreover you're simply assuming that what you do is "right practice" whereas what they do isn't.  That's just being biased.  How do you know that what the religious do isn't "right practice?"  You don't.  You're just assuming the high ground.  Anybody can make an assumption.  Assuming that you're doing the right thing and they're not is not providing any reason to believe you.  Anyone can just assume.

1) I don't?
Wrong again yog in fact I do know very well indeed.
When you try to think about something or to find a solution to your problems you look within not at the stars.
It is within where the knowledge lie.

Outside there is mainly a lot of illusion.
Any researcher when he-she try to discover something look within and even if he look outside that knowledge still come from someone who previously look within.
You can not go wrong with that.
The routine is the same.
The knowledge only come from within that is why spirituality is a search within unlike religions which search outside.
Religions worship idols, effigy, statues and pray God for the daily bread.
In spirituality all this is totally off.
Once you understand that the real knowledge is within there is no point in wasting the time in external exercises that not only lead nowhere but are also ruining the already acquired knowledge.  
Putting religions and spirituality on the same level is unfounded.

Blah, blah, blah, blah.  You're just doing exactly what I said you were doing.  And no you don't know.

If you reckon that I do not know then show evidence that the knowledge is external.  

Nice job equivocating and changing the subject.  The question had nothing to do with any "externality" or not of "knowledge."  The question was whether or not you "know" that your approach to ultimate truth ("practice") is right and that the approach of those in religion is wrong.  And as usual you have no answer other than just to assert your beliefs and try to change the subject.  You may "believe" that your approach is the right approach, but you don't know it.  Everybody believes that their way is the right way.  But knowledge, true knowing, is amenable to demonstration.  If you can't show it, then you don't know it.  And there's no way for you to demonstrate that you have the right approach to ultimate truth, even above your distortions about what "religion" entails.

No, you practice "intuitional science," remember?  Intuition yields belief, not knowledge.  Only reason can deliver knowledge because the reasons for its conclusions can be shared.  The conclusions and support for them from reason are transparent in a way that the reasons "behind" intuitional truths is not.  If you can't show it, then you don't know it.  And you can't show it.  A bunch of stories and analogies aren't reasons.  That's why you talk about the fruits of your yoga practice in terms of metaphors such as 'gold' and the underneath of an iceberg.  You don't have reasons for your conclusions from meditation, you just have "belief" and some warm fuzzies from the experience.  You don't "know" jack shit as a result of your meditation.

[Asmodee]

I'm not quite sure how to answer the poll.  Religions represent God in the same way that The Complete Tales of Winnie the Pooh represents pooh bears.

[Whateverist]

No, you practice "intuitional science," remember?  Intuition yields belief, not knowledge.  Only reason can deliver knowledge because the reasons for its conclusions can be shared.  The conclusions and support for them from reason are transparent in a way that the reasons "behind" intuitional truths is not.  If you can't show it, then you don't know it.  And you can't show it.  

I'm just going to go ahead and award the best beat down of 2017 to Jormungy! Golden, absolutely golden.

@Rik, what she says here is true of course, but it doesn't mean you cannot be absolutely certain. Even the most delusional persona can be certain. You've taught me that.

[Tonus]

My internal knowledge tells me that Rik is a fucking loon. Must be true!

[Little Rik]

1) I don't?
Wrong again yog in fact I do know very well indeed.
When you try to think about something or to find a solution to your problems you look within not at the stars.
It is within where the knowledge lie.

Outside there is mainly a lot of illusion.
Any researcher when he-she try to discover something look within and even if he look outside that knowledge still come from someone who previously look within.
You can not go wrong with that.
The routine is the same.
The knowledge only come from within that is why spirituality is a search within unlike religions which search outside.
Religions worship idols, effigy, statues and pray God for the daily bread.
In spirituality all this is totally off.
Once you understand that the real knowledge is within there is no point in wasting the time in external exercises that not only lead nowhere but are also ruining the already acquired knowledge.  
Putting religions and spirituality on the same level is unfounded.

If you reckon that I do not know then show evidence that the knowledge is external.  

Nice job equivocating and changing the subject.  The question had nothing to do with any "externality" or not of "knowledge."  The question was whether or not you "know" that your approach to ultimate truth ("practice") is right and that the approach of those in religion is wrong.  And as usual you have no answer other than just to assert your beliefs and try to change the subject.  You may "believe" that your approach is the right approach, but you don't know it.  Everybody believes that their way is the right way.  But knowledge, true knowing, is amenable to demonstration.  If you can't show it, then you don't know it.  And there's no way for you to demonstrate that you have the right approach to ultimate truth, even above your distortions about what "religion" entails.

No, you practice "intuitional science," remember?  Intuition yields belief, not knowledge.  Only reason can deliver knowledge because the reasons for its conclusions can be shared.  The conclusions and support for them from reason are transparent in a way that the reasons "behind" intuitional truths is not.  If you can't show it, then you don't know it.  And you can't show it.  A bunch of stories and analogies aren't reasons.  That's why you talk about the fruits of your yoga practice in terms of metaphors such as 'gold' and the underneath of an iceberg.  You don't have reasons for your conclusions from meditation, you just have "belief" and some warm fuzzies from the experience.  You don't "know" jack shit as a result of your meditation.

Wrong once again yog.  

The reason why I talk about internal or external knowledge is very very simple and it clearly show
how right I am and how wrong you are.
During this present life we may build up an empire but when our body goes to the dogs we have only our consciousness left.
All those external physical-material things are left behind so the only progress that we are left with lie in our consciousness and the consciousness can not possibly be build physically or materially by external effort but through an internal effort.
From here is easy to understand that by acting within we can build up progress.
Religions on the other hand act externally.
As I already said the worship of idols, statues and asking God for the daily bread are externally exercises
That is why they can not possibly lead to any sort of progress.
The difference between religions and spirituality is very clear and every idiot would understand which one lead to progress and which one does not.
I challenge you to bring evidence on the contrary but of course you fail to do so.

Now let us come to the second point which is how to demonstrate that the internal system works.
Can you demonstrate that you are in love with somebody and that feeling of love is real?
Humm, not easy yog.
How can you transfer that nice feeling to me?
That belong to you and nobody else.
The same thing goes for spiritual love.
You struggle to achieve that feeling and that feeling belong to you and none else.
That make sense.
Why should you share that with somebody else and lose that power so hard achieved?
Even if you would you could not do that.
How can you extrapolate love feeling from within and give to somebody else even for a demonstration?


Sorry yog you fail once again.  

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No, you practice "intuitional science," remember?  Intuition yields belief, not knowledge.  Only reason can deliver knowledge because the reasons for its conclusions can be shared.  The conclusions and support for them from reason are transparent in a way that the reasons "behind" intuitional truths is not.  If you can't show it, then you don't know it.  And you can't show it.  

I'm just going to go ahead and award the best beat down of 2017 to Jormungy!  Golden, absolutely golden.

@Rik, what she says here is true of course, but it doesn't mean you cannot be absolutely certain.  Even the most delusional persona can be certain.  You've taught me that.

You should know what happen when you sing a song of victory before the fight is ended?
In case the party that you back up lose the disaster is double.

You never thought of that Whatever, did you?  

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My internal knowledge tells me that Rik is a fucking loon.  Must be true!

Well, if Giacomino the elf is your internal knowledge then it must be true. (of course)  
How can I argue with that?  

[Angrboda]

Nice job equivocating and changing the subject.  The question had nothing to do with any "externality" or not of "knowledge."  The question was whether or not you "know" that your approach to ultimate truth ("practice") is right and that the approach of those in religion is wrong.  And as usual you have no answer other than just to assert your beliefs and try to change the subject.  You may "believe" that your approach is the right approach, but you don't know it.  Everybody believes that their way is the right way.  But knowledge, true knowing, is amenable to demonstration.  If you can't show it, then you don't know it.  And there's no way for you to demonstrate that you have the right approach to ultimate truth, even above your distortions about what "religion" entails.

No, you practice "intuitional science," remember?  Intuition yields belief, not knowledge.  Only reason can deliver knowledge because the reasons for its conclusions can be shared.  The conclusions and support for them from reason are transparent in a way that the reasons "behind" intuitional truths is not.  If you can't show it, then you don't know it.  And you can't show it.  A bunch of stories and analogies aren't reasons.  That's why you talk about the fruits of your yoga practice in terms of metaphors such as 'gold' and the underneath of an iceberg.  You don't have reasons for your conclusions from meditation, you just have "belief" and some warm fuzzies from the experience.  You don't "know" jack shit as a result of your meditation.

Wrong once again yog.  

The reason why I talk about internal or external knowledge is very very simple and it clearly show
how right I am and how wrong you are.
During this present life we may build up an empire but when our body goes to the dogs we have only our consciousness left.
All those external physical-material things are left behind so the only progress that we are left with lie in our consciousness and the consciousness can not possibly be build physically or materially by external effort but through an internal effort.
From here is easy to understand that by acting within we can build up progress.
Religions on the other hand act externally.
As I already said the worship of idols, statues and asking God for the daily bread are externally exercises
That is why they can not possibly lead to any sort of progress.
The difference between religions and spirituality is very clear and every idiot would understand which one lead to progress and which one does not.
I challenge you to bring evidence on the contrary but of course you fail to do so.

This is what you "believe" -- nothing more. The Christian believes they are participating in a love affair with God. Neither of you "knows" what the reality is because you're just operating on faith in your beliefs and not knowledge. I don't agree with your characterization of religion and neither do they. It's just another one of your distorted viewpoints. You don't "know" that your way is the right way, you merely "believe" that it is. And all your ranting does nothing but underscore that fact. Even if religion were nothing but acting externally, you've presented nothing but your beliefs about consciousness to argue that they are wrong in having an external relationship with God. Your beliefs don't mean shit.

Now let us come to the second point which is how to demonstrate that the internal system works.
Can you demonstrate that you are in love with somebody and that feeling of love is real?
Humm, not easy yog.
How can you transfer that nice feeling to me?
That belong to you and nobody else.
The same thing goes for spiritual love.
You struggle to achieve that feeling and that feeling belong to you and none else.
That make sense.
Why should you share that with somebody else and lose that power so hard achieved?
Even if you would you could not do that.
How can you extrapolate love feeling from within and give to somebody else even for a demonstration?

Being in love isn't a state of knowledge, you twat. As I said, all you have is belief and warm fuzzies. You've got jack shit for knowledge. All you've got is a bunch of belief and a mess of crazy arguments. That's all that religions have as well. In that you are the same. Your "belief" in these things doesn't amount to squat.

Wow. Forty years for a warm fuzzy feeling. God you are a loser.

[ApeNotKillApe]

Is this some kind of self flagellation ritual for you?

[Whateverist]

If you need any more new ones ripped I'm sure that won't be any trouble, Rik.

[Cyberman]

Well, if Giacomino the elf is your internal knowledge then it must be true. (of course)  
How can I argue with that?  

On the other hand, you're the one who believes that the Moon is a painting of an eye that can see into your dreams, and during the day it flies around the world giving presents to all the good little boys and girls. Who has the silliest beliefs now?

[Little Rik]

Well, if Giacomino the elf is your internal knowledge then it must be true. (of course)  
How can I argue with that?  

On the other hand, you're the one who believes that the Moon is a painting of an eye that can see into your dreams, and during the day it flies around the world giving presents to all the good little boys and girls. Who has the silliest beliefs now?

Gee, I was correct after all when I said that you are the guru of the forum.
Only a guru can know that LR ..........believes that the Moon is a painting of an eye that can see into your dreams, and during the day it flies around the world giving presents to all the good little boys and girls.................
I suppose that you could make a lot of money reading people mind Stim.
Have you ever thought of that?  

(Heh Stim don't get carried away now.
LR only said this to make you happy.   )

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Wrong once again yog.  

The reason why I talk about internal or external knowledge is very very simple and it clearly show
how right I am and how wrong you are.
During this present life we may build up an empire but when our body goes to the dogs we have only our consciousness left.
All those external physical-material things are left behind so the only progress that we are left with lie in our consciousness and the consciousness can not possibly be build physically or materially by external effort but through an internal effort.
From here is easy to understand that by acting within we can build up progress.
Religions on the other hand act externally.
As I already said the worship of idols, statues and asking God for the daily bread are externally exercises
That is why they can not possibly lead to any sort of progress.
The difference between religions and spirituality is very clear and every idiot would understand which one lead to progress and which one does not.
I challenge you to bring evidence on the contrary but of course you fail to do so.

This is what you "believe" -- nothing more.  The Christian believes they are participating in a love affair with God.  Neither of you "knows" what the reality is because you're just operating on faith in your beliefs and not knowledge.  I don't agree with your characterization of religion and neither do they.  It's just another one of your distorted viewpoints.  You don't "know" that your way is the right way, you merely "believe" that it is.  And all your ranting does nothing but underscore that fact.  Even if religion were nothing but acting externally, you've presented nothing but your beliefs about consciousness to argue that they are wrong in having an external relationship with God.  Your beliefs don't mean shit.

Now let us come to the second point which is how to demonstrate that the internal system works.
Can you demonstrate that you are in love with somebody and that feeling of love is real?
Humm, not easy yog.
How can you transfer that nice feeling to me?
That belong to you and nobody else.
The same thing goes for spiritual love.
You struggle to achieve that feeling and that feeling belong to you and none else.
That make sense.
Why should you share that with somebody else and lose that power so hard achieved?
Even if you would you could not do that.
How can you extrapolate love feeling from within and give to somebody else even for a demonstration?

Being in love isn't a state of knowledge, you twat.  As I said, all you have is belief and warm fuzzies.  You've got jack shit for knowledge.  All you've got is a bunch of belief and a mess of crazy arguments.  That's all that religions have as well.  In that you are the same.  Your "belief" in these things doesn't amount to squat.

Wow.  Forty years for a warm fuzzy feeling.  God you are a loser.

More and more wrong yog.      

As far as the feeling within come from an honest work you can't go wrong.
As you may build up a material empire you can also build up a spiritual empire.
When the feeling coming from an honest work is rich you know that you are on the correct track.
As the materialist can hide his money also the spiritualist can hide his rich feeling coming from peace of mind and a sense of bliss.
The materialists and the religious people follow the same path.
They both try to grasp external things.
They may or may not succeed in the short term but when their bodies goes to the dogs they will have to leave all what they gain behind.
Spiritualists on the other hand take with them all they earned within.  


It doesn't really matter if being in love is or isn't a state of knowledge although I believe it is.
What matter is that the feeling of love stay with you, it give you peace of mind and happiness and that get you closer and closer to that entity.