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Question For Fellow Atheists...
#21
RE: Question For Fellow Atheists...
(7th January 2017, 18:57)Catholic_Lady Wrote:
(7th January 2017, 18:23)Autolite Wrote: I just can't see it any other way.  I mean, maybe a few hundred years ago Theism might have been justifiable but not in this day and age.  We don't know everything, and probably never will, but today we know enough to know that there's no rational reason to think that there is any sort of god or gods.

OTOH, I don't buy into anything supernatural at all.  My brain is just unable to accept anything like ghosts, gods, demons or spirits...


I assumed from the very start that it would be impossible for a Theist to understand what I'm talking about.  That's why I specifically targeted "Fellow Atheists" with my questions.  I'm only looking for answers from folks who can acknowledge reality...

Why would it be impossible? Atheists are not the only ones who encounter ppl who don't think like them. We all do. And when we do, we have the choice of either looking down on them and assuming they're mental for not having the same view points, or accepting that different minds think differently and that doesn't make them mentally ill. I suppose the former might give the person a sense of superiority though.

Have you gone off your medication again young lady?
God(s) and religions are man made and the bane of humanity. 

Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most. Ozzy or Twain/take your pick
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#22
RE: Question For Fellow Atheists...
(7th January 2017, 18:45)Brian37 Wrote:
(7th January 2017, 18:21)Catholic_Lady Wrote: So everyone who doesn't think like you cannot possibly be anything other than mentally screwed up? That's an extremely narrow minded view point.

CL you ARE a nice person, and you DO take alot of heat here and still know we wont stab you to death. 

It isn't a matter of someone not thinking like you. It is your logic that mentally screws you up, not your mental health. Belief in the supernatural is an unfortunate side affect of antiquity that most people simply pass down to their kids, most people adapt the faith of their parents and most keep it their entire lives. 

You are not mentally ill in the context we are afraid you are going to go on a killing spree. You do mentally box yourself in because of someone introducing you to the concept you ended up buying into. When someone confronts you with the flaws in your logic, you mentally resort to defending it because you have conditioned yourself to defend it, not prove it. There is a difference between defending something with facts, and testing and falsification as a form of quality control, and what you did, which was buying first. 

Most people in the world are still stuck in the past and in that context living by antiquated claims from or viewpoint IS mentally screwing oneself out of the opportunity of opening their eyes to reality. 

You'd rightfully look at the theocracies of the middle east, or worship of the state like North Korea and think to yourself, "I wish they had the opportunity to see what I see". You'd rightfully like I do look at Iran or Saudi Arabia and say, "They have a messed up mentality".

Well we think the same of you, not your empathy, but your thought process. Liberals and conservatives still have a mentality of circling the wagon  and also do not understand under the same labels, even Catholics have conservatives, so do Jews and so do Muslims.

Your logic is what he is talking about, not your evolutionary empathy.

I appreciate the kind words, my friend.

However, I must still disagree that anyone is mentally screwed up (in any sense of the word) for being either atheist or theist, conservative or liberal, etc, simply bc you have a different opinion and cant fathom how they came to their conclussions. Thinking otherwise is the epitome of narrow mindedness and bigotry.

(7th January 2017, 19:05)mh.brewer Wrote:
(7th January 2017, 18:57)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Why would it be impossible? Atheists are not the only ones who encounter ppl who don't think like them. We all do. And when we do, we have the choice of either looking down on them and assuming they're mental for not having the same view points, or accepting that different minds think differently and that doesn't make them mentally ill. I suppose the former might give the person a sense of superiority though.

Have you gone off your medication again young lady?

LOL that must be it. Smile
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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RE: Question For Fellow Atheists...
(7th January 2017, 19:05)Autolite Wrote: 'Catholic Lady' thinks I'm narrow minded. I don't believe in leprechauns, unicorns or the Tooth Fairy either so perhaps she has a point...

You paint every theist with the same brush. Insofar you're narrow minded since you don't look at the individual and why or what the believe.

So what do you suggest? Go to war against them? Would that be any different than the radical theists or their missionaries?

Let's just say I hold both radical views in the same contempt since they both want to shove their views down the throats of innocent bystanders. And no, I don't subscribe to any atheist community. My disbelief doesn't make who I am. My values do and they demand respect for my fellow humans unless they give me reason for disrespect on an individual level.
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RE: Question For Fellow Atheists...
(7th January 2017, 19:05)Autolite Wrote: 'Catholic Lady' thinks I'm narrow minded. I don't believe in leprechauns, unicorns or the Tooth Fairy either so perhaps she has a point...

You're narrow minded for thinking ppl who don't have the same views as YOU in regards to the existence of God are all mentally screwed up. Bc you cant fathom anyone having a different opinion than yourself on this without being mentally ill.

If I was on a christian forum and anyone there was saying atheists are mental, you better believe I'd call them bigots and say they are being extremely narrow minded. It doesn't matter what side you're on. Thinking ppl who have a different belief than you are mental is ridiculous.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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#25
RE: Question For Fellow Atheists...
(7th January 2017, 19:07)Catholic_Lady Wrote:
(7th January 2017, 19:05)mh.brewer Wrote: Have you gone off your medication again young lady?

LOL that must be it.  Smile

Sigh. All right, I'll load up a syringe of fluphenazine decanoate and be right over. Do me a favor and send your hubby to the store. You know how this procedure always upsets him.
God(s) and religions are man made and the bane of humanity. 

Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most. Ozzy or Twain/take your pick
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#26
RE: Question For Fellow Atheists...
(7th January 2017, 19:07)Catholic_Lady Wrote:
(7th January 2017, 18:45)Brian37 Wrote: CL you ARE a nice person, and you DO take alot of heat here and still know we wont stab you to death. 

It isn't a matter of someone not thinking like you. It is your logic that mentally screws you up, not your mental health. Belief in the supernatural is an unfortunate side affect of antiquity that most people simply pass down to their kids, most people adapt the faith of their parents and most keep it their entire lives. 

You are not mentally ill in the context we are afraid you are going to go on a killing spree. You do mentally box yourself in because of someone introducing you to the concept you ended up buying into. When someone confronts you with the flaws in your logic, you mentally resort to defending it because you have conditioned yourself to defend it, not prove it. There is a difference between defending something with facts, and testing and falsification as a form of quality control, and what you did, which was buying first. 

Most people in the world are still stuck in the past and in that context living by antiquated claims from or viewpoint IS mentally screwing oneself out of the opportunity of opening their eyes to reality. 

You'd rightfully look at the theocracies of the middle east, or worship of the state like North Korea and think to yourself, "I wish they had the opportunity to see what I see". You'd rightfully like I do look at Iran or Saudi Arabia and say, "They have a messed up mentality".

Well we think the same of you, not your empathy, but your thought process. Liberals and conservatives still have a mentality of circling the wagon  and also do not understand under the same labels, even Catholics have conservatives, so do Jews and so do Muslims.

Your logic is what he is talking about, not your evolutionary empathy.

I appreciate the kind words, my friend.

However, I must still disagree that anyone is mentally screwed up (in any sense of the word) for being either atheist or theist, conservative or liberal, etc, simply bc you have a different opinion and cant fathom how they came to their conclussions. Thinking otherwise is the epitome of narrow mindedness and bigotry.

(7th January 2017, 19:05)mh.brewer Wrote: Have you gone off your medication again young lady?

LOL that must be it.  Smile

Your kindness is not the issue, where you think your morality is coming from IS the issue, and yes, I do think it is nuts to base your life on the writings of antiquity. I am certainly far more happy with liberal theists than conservative theists, but the books are the same book for both left and right under the same umbrella label in any religion, and even under the same sub sect.

A liberal black Obama voting Baptist is still reading the same book as a white Tea party Baptist, just like Malala as empathetic as she is is still reading the same old Koran as Bin Laden. The only difference is the interpretation of the same book with the same words.

Yes, I do think it is crazy, even for my well intended liberal friends, to buy into old writing of any label. Not from a empathy context, but simply put, that was then and this is now. 

I love my mom, but no, even as much as I love her, when she eats a communion, all I can think is "do you really think a wafer has magic powers"? Yes I do question that logic. it would be no different to me if she every day kept repeating "The Cubs won the Superbowl". Nice is not the issue, the logic is, and yes I do think it is crazy to buy into old bronze age mythology or any religion of antiquity worldwide, for the same reason you'd rightfully find it crazy if someone started a religion based on the Harry Potter character. 

Nobody here that has known you for as long as we have thinks you are as an individual are dangerous, but that does not make your logic sound or your book credible. And that does not change that there are even conservative Catholics who read the same bible you do to justify sexism and anti LGBT.
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#27
RE: Question For Fellow Atheists...
My impression is that few people where I live are a fervent believer in a personal God. It doesn't ever come up.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition

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#28
RE: Question For Fellow Atheists...
(7th January 2017, 19:26)Alex K Wrote: My impression is that few people where I live are a fervent believer in a personal God. It doesn't ever come up.

Then you are lucky, 7 billion people and we can tell you places like where you live are not a majority in the entire population of the planet. Atheists would love nothing more than to leave religion alone, but the problem is it doesn't leave politics alone, and that is why facts matter and involvement matters, not to force religion out of existence, no, but to keep it on a leash so it does not go off the rails.
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#29
RE: Question For Fellow Atheists...
(7th January 2017, 18:19)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: I treat people as they treat me. If they don't subject me to their faith, I don't subject them to pushback.

Fucking radical...

Boru
'There are people who long for immortality in the afterlife who don't know what to do with themselves on a rainy Sunday afternoon.' - Isaac Asimov
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#30
RE: Question For Fellow Atheists...
Quote:However, I must still disagree that anyone is mentally screwed up (in any sense of the word) for being either atheist or theist, conservative or liberal, etc, simply bc you have a different opinion and cant fathom how they came to their conclussions.

We know how you came to your conclusions, C/L.  That's the problem.



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