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Question For Fellow Atheists...
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(13th January 2017, 16:33)Whateverist Wrote: I'm happy to concede it exists but the question is the nature of its existence.
QFT.

The boogeyman, much like god, produces very real effects in the world, and there's no need to refer to or even entertain the supernatural to show that. The fucker definitely exists. So do gods. I can find them in religious texts, I can find them in the minds of the faithful. In fact it;s trivially easy to find them. It's a little* bit harder to find one that flits off the page or out of someones skull and starts doing shit all by it's onesies.
 “I can’t even go to a goddamn potluck without having to thank some space fairy for the broccoli casserole!” -Trae Crowder


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(13th January 2017, 16:43)Rhythm Wrote:
(13th January 2017, 16:33)Whateverist Wrote: I'm happy to concede it exists but the question is the nature of its existence.
QFT.

The boogeyman, much like god, produces very real effects in the world, and there's no need to refer to or even entertain the supernatural to show that.  The fucker definitely exists.


Yep, there is a ghost alright but that ghost is located in the machinery of the observer not in the world apart from the observer.
Belief .. is the insistence that the truth is what one would .. wish it to be. The believer will open his mind to the truth on the condition that it fits in with his preconceived ideas and wishes. 


Faith, on the other hand, is an unreserved opening of the mind to the truth, whatever it may turn out to be.  


- Alan Watts, The Wisdom of Insecurity
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It would be nice to find some religious folks who appreciate, at least in principle, that it's irrelevant whether their god actually exists outside of their minds.  Instead, we get people who can't take their gods seriously enough to realize that they're so damned powerful that they can compel them to action even from the point of "nonexistence" - or, at least, what a believer would take to be nonexistence, in relation to their god. Unsatisfactory existence.
 “I can’t even go to a goddamn potluck without having to thank some space fairy for the broccoli casserole!” -Trae Crowder


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I agree, gods do exist, in a sense. In the field of abstract concepts. One per theist (mostly), in their mind. And in general, they are indeed powerful because of the hold they have over that theist. They can even drive them to murder or suicide in extreme cases.

Can all of these gods be said to meaningfully map to one single being, somewhere? No. They're all too different. It would have to either be some massive compromise, or leave most people with a completely wrong "God" in their head.

But, you know, if something very unusual and relatively powerful showed up, you can bet your bottom dollar most theists would point and say, "I meant that!"
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(14th January 2017, 04:19)robvalue Wrote: Can all of these gods be said to meaningfully map to one single being, somewhere? No. They're all too different. It would have to either be some massive compromise, or leave most people with a completely wrong "God" in their head.


At most there may be some similarity imposed by the fact that all the theists are human.  Maybe more similarities which come with being of the same culture.  But even then I'd guess there would be some distinctiveness too between what one believer in god X takes X to be and what other X-believers experience.
Belief .. is the insistence that the truth is what one would .. wish it to be. The believer will open his mind to the truth on the condition that it fits in with his preconceived ideas and wishes. 


Faith, on the other hand, is an unreserved opening of the mind to the truth, whatever it may turn out to be.  


- Alan Watts, The Wisdom of Insecurity
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Let's face it, "God" is just a human anyway, with super amazing powers. Virtually every description of God is given in terms of human characteristics. Theists regularly draw analogies between God and humans, in order to explain its motivations. We hear of "love" which is such a flesh-bag thing to do.

However, God is a shitty human. For example the Christian God isn't even able to forgive people like a human can, he has to do a bunch of stupid shit and impale an avatar of himself first because he's so stubborn.

Or, you know, drown everyone because he's so angry he can't contain himself.



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Reference "are christians delusional", Dr. Richard Carrier gives us this:

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28PjVaW4kKI
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(Yesterday, 03:46)robvalue Wrote: Let's face it, "God" is just a human anyway, with super amazing powers. Virtually every description of God is given in terms of human characteristics. Theists regularly draw analogies between God and humans, in order to explain its motivations. We hear of "love" which is such a flesh-bag thing to do.

However, God is a shitty human. For example the Christian God isn't even able to forgive people like a human can, he has to do a bunch of stupid shit and impale an avatar of himself first because he's so stubborn.



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