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Moral Acts
#41
RE: Moral Acts
(11th January 2017, 06:21)robvalue Wrote: Sure, for things we all agree on, there is no problem. Most of us could probably hammer out most points with agreement.

But suddenly introduce someone from another culture with radically different ideas, and what do you do? Tell them they are wrong? No one has this authority. They would turn around and tell us we're wrong as well. It would be a matter of starting from first principles, and if people don't agree on those, there isn't anything that can be done except to continue to debate. One group announcing they "are right" is just excluding others from the discussion.

That's why we have different cultures. So?
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#42
RE: Moral Acts
So it's subjective Smile

I'm only arguing against people who claim there is some objective standard.

But you're right, if you can sit down and sort it out, it doesn't matter what you call it.
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#43
RE: Moral Acts
(11th January 2017, 00:48)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:
(10th January 2017, 08:37)chimp3 Wrote: Name one moral act that can not be accomplished without religion.

Name one moral principle that atheists didn't adopt from religion.

Name one moral principle that didn't predate religion.
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#44
RE: Moral Acts
(11th January 2017, 01:19)chimp3 Wrote:
(11th January 2017, 01:09)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Do you think morality is objective then?

No. Not irrational though. We must argue, debate, and come to common agreement about what is moral. Human well being is a good starting point.

People can arrive at moral principles by observing Nature precisely because we live in an intelligently ordered universe and Man has the capacity to think having been created in the image of a rational Creator. You are only addressing the epistemological question of how we can know moral principles and not the ontological basis explaining how there can be any kind of morality at all.
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#45
RE: Moral Acts
(11th January 2017, 09:49)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: People can arrive at moral principles by observing Nature precisely because we live in an intelligently ordered universe and Man has the capacity to think having been created in the image of a rational Creator.

Unnecessary assumption and non-sequitur.

Humans have the capacity to think because of evolution. Not because of some dude in the sky.
"My skirt is blowing upwards and you can sort of almost see my panties. What a massive cocktease I am. Oopsie." - Marilyn Monroe
"The problem with quotes on the internet is it his hard to verify their authenticity." - Abraham Lincoln
"You fucking numpties... if you crucify me I'll just respawn." - Jesus Christ
"You know what? As it's my birthday today we can sod my Golden Mean to hell! I'm getting shitfaced tonight and I'll be buggered if any of you bastards are gonna stop me." - Aristotle
"Confucius say... oh fuck I forget... I think I'm losing my memory. Oh and pass the dry roasted peanuts would ya?" - Confucius
"Lord... make me chaste... but not yet.... no first I'm gonna need some hookers and some blow. K thx bai." - Augustine of Hippo
"Screw you all I'd rather drink the hemlock anyhow you ignorant motherfuckers!" - Socrates
"Yes, it's hard finding out all parents are liars. I can relate because I remember my parents telling me they'd been fibbing and I didn't really exist." - Santa Claus
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#46
RE: Moral Acts
(11th January 2017, 09:51)Alasdair Ham Wrote:
(11th January 2017, 09:49)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: People can arrive at moral principles by observing Nature precisely because we live in an intelligently ordered universe and Man has the capacity to think having been created in the image of a rational Creator.

Unnecessary assumption and non-sequitur.

Humans have the capacity to think because of evolution. Not because of some dude in the sky.

Ever hear of Darwin's Doubt?
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#47
RE: Moral Acts
Ever heard of DNA?
"My skirt is blowing upwards and you can sort of almost see my panties. What a massive cocktease I am. Oopsie." - Marilyn Monroe
"The problem with quotes on the internet is it his hard to verify their authenticity." - Abraham Lincoln
"You fucking numpties... if you crucify me I'll just respawn." - Jesus Christ
"You know what? As it's my birthday today we can sod my Golden Mean to hell! I'm getting shitfaced tonight and I'll be buggered if any of you bastards are gonna stop me." - Aristotle
"Confucius say... oh fuck I forget... I think I'm losing my memory. Oh and pass the dry roasted peanuts would ya?" - Confucius
"Lord... make me chaste... but not yet.... no first I'm gonna need some hookers and some blow. K thx bai." - Augustine of Hippo
"Screw you all I'd rather drink the hemlock anyhow you ignorant motherfuckers!" - Socrates
"Yes, it's hard finding out all parents are liars. I can relate because I remember my parents telling me they'd been fibbing and I didn't really exist." - Santa Claus
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#48
RE: Moral Acts
(11th January 2017, 10:34)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:
(11th January 2017, 09:51)Alasdair Ham Wrote: Unnecessary assumption and non-sequitur.

Humans have the capacity to think because of evolution. Not because of some dude in the sky.

Ever hear of Darwin's Doubt?

I haven't.
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#49
RE: Moral Acts
I'll take that as a no.
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#50
RE: Moral Acts
So do you have a point? Darwin's Doubt is written by a creationist.

Are you a creationist now?
"My skirt is blowing upwards and you can sort of almost see my panties. What a massive cocktease I am. Oopsie." - Marilyn Monroe
"The problem with quotes on the internet is it his hard to verify their authenticity." - Abraham Lincoln
"You fucking numpties... if you crucify me I'll just respawn." - Jesus Christ
"You know what? As it's my birthday today we can sod my Golden Mean to hell! I'm getting shitfaced tonight and I'll be buggered if any of you bastards are gonna stop me." - Aristotle
"Confucius say... oh fuck I forget... I think I'm losing my memory. Oh and pass the dry roasted peanuts would ya?" - Confucius
"Lord... make me chaste... but not yet.... no first I'm gonna need some hookers and some blow. K thx bai." - Augustine of Hippo
"Screw you all I'd rather drink the hemlock anyhow you ignorant motherfuckers!" - Socrates
"Yes, it's hard finding out all parents are liars. I can relate because I remember my parents telling me they'd been fibbing and I didn't really exist." - Santa Claus
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