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Dylann Roof sentenced to death
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RE: Dylann Roof sentenced to death
(11th January 2017, 13:47)Moros Synackaon Wrote: It's part of the Just World fallacy.

They have to hope something horrible happens to a horrible person as an heinous example so as to avoid feeling despair or outrage at bad people getting away with figurative and literal murder.

Because in their mind, of course, living the rest of your life in a supermax prison is 'getting away with it.'
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RE: Dylann Roof sentenced to death
(11th January 2017, 13:48)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Because in their mind, of course, living the rest of your life in a supermax prison is 'getting away with it.'

That's what I would wish on him. For the rest of his life. First, he more than deserves that kind of comfort, and secondly, it is reversible. There's hardly any doubt he did what he's been convicted of, but I'm not so sure about his mental state when he did what he did.
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#43
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The way I see it, the world won't improve at all just because this guy is punished further. Locking him away will stop the world from getting worse on account of his actions, but I don't see what anything beyond that will do.
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RE: Dylann Roof sentenced to death
(11th January 2017, 13:48)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Because in their mind, of course, living the rest of your life in a supermax prison is 'getting away with it.'

Have you heard the phrase "Three hots and a cot?" It's often echoed by pro-death penalty advocates to conjure up a fanciful and fake image of what life in prison is like.

Death penalty isn't about reducing crime because it doesn't have a significant impact.

Death penalty isn't about justice given its false positive rate and disproportionate application towards specific minorities.

That leaves the emotional arguments for it, which dovetails with my opening statement of meals and beds in prisons.
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#45
RE: Dylann Roof sentenced to death
All there are are emotional arguments. I get it, though. This man did something so heinous, I cannot even imagine being the family of any of the victims.

None of that changes the fact that this is state sponsored murder, and that killing Dylan Roof is advancing a system that has killed innocent people, and will again.
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RE: Dylann Roof sentenced to death
(11th January 2017, 12:43)Catholic_Lady Wrote:
(11th January 2017, 09:33)ignoramus Wrote: Doesn't the bible say: an eye for an eye?
Sorry, I forgot, I'm not supposed to take it literally, even though God fucking wrote it!  hehe

Jesus specifically rebuked that Old Testament law:  "You have heard that it was said, 'and eye for an eye', but I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you." Unfortunately we still have many Christians who are for the DP. There is 0 excuse for that, considering Jesus specifically opposed it on multiple occasions.

(11th January 2017, 12:41)Chad32 Wrote: I think one of the main arguments against the death penalty is, sometimes innocent people get killed. Well, I'm pretty sure Dylan ain't innocent, so killing him isn't murder.

Not for me. Even if 100% of death row inmates were guilty of heinous crimes, I'd still be against it. Mainly because there is 0 point to it in the modern day where we can keep them locked up and away from society.

In Matthew 5:18 Jesus is said to have said:

"For verily I say unto you, Till
heaven and earth pass, one jot or one
tittle shall in no wise pass from
the law, till all be fulfilled."
(King James Version)

"For most certainly, I tell you, until heaven
and earth pass away, not even one smallest letter
or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away
from the law, until all things are accomplished."
(World English Bible)

If one is looking for consistency, the Bible is not a good source.  If it had a mouth it would be talking out of both corners, often at the same time.

My personal opinion about Dillon Roof is that he was a white racist trash and murderer who deserves the death penalty.  That is not to say that the death penalty is not applied fairly in all cases.  Whether it is because of cops being sloppy in their investigative work or they have it in for someone or whether juries are selected for making sure of a certain outcome, causing further injustice, sometimes innocent people of the crime of murder (some criminals no doubt have been put to death for a murder they did not commit, though they may have been actually guilty of say, grand theft auto).  Many of you have made valid points.  It would seem the death penalty issue can be complex.

The Charleston Church Murders has highlighted for me one interesting observation in regards to unfounded claims to truth, namely, religious belief.  The Christian Creator God has all that power to magically cause a Universe, yet, cannot, or will not, for any reason save 9 people in South Carolina from being shot to death by a racist bastard, nor keep 20 children in New Jersey from being slaughtered by a crazed gunman.  There are over a dozen or more references in the Bible (pick one, Heb. 13:8, Psalm 90:2, Malachi 3:6, etc., etc.) stating outright or hinting at the ancient Canaanite war god being the same from yesteryear to today.  Judging from his character content and actions of the Torah/Old Testament, Yahweh is quite a dick.  So if the Judeo-Christian god is real, he has been a complete jerk, is a complete jerk, and will always be a complete jerk.  He (do invisible imaginary friends who live in the sky have genitalia?) is not worthy of my worship, let alone anyone else's with a sane mind.
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RE: Dylann Roof sentenced to death
(11th January 2017, 14:12)SteelCurtain Wrote: This man did something so heinous, I cannot even imagine being the family of any of the victims.

That's why I always put one caveat in when talking about Capital Punishment. I'm sure if someone hurt my loved ones, I would like that person to suffer. I understand the ones who clamor for their death. The caveat always has a second part though. The state isn't supposed to carry out my revenge but to keep society safe. And that can be done just as well by locking them away.

I always admire the victim's families who staunchly oppose capital punishment. And there are lots of them. I'm not entirely sure, but I seem to remember that even in this case, family members spoke out against dishing out death.
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RE: Dylann Roof sentenced to death
(11th January 2017, 13:37)Moros Synackaon Wrote: In this thread (selected among the variant outrages)

GROUP 1: "I'm against the Death Penalty but I'll look the other way"

GROUP 2: "This is humane because Prison Rape!"

GROUP 3: "Fuck that, I want him raped in prison!"

And finally:

GROUP 4: "What the hell is wrong with all of you!?"

Good on you Group 4. Sticking to your brains when emotions run high.

Oh sweetie you forgot about us rednecks that are cheering it on. I don't give a flying fuck about him being raped in prison nor it being more humane. I know what prison is like because my brother was in it and he told me all the awful shit that goes on there. But darlin karma isn't real, there is nothing that will make up for all the lives he took. He shouldn't get to live in any shape or form while there are so many dead at his hand. He wanted to murder others then he gets murdered. Lesson learned? Don't kill if you don't want to die.
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(11th January 2017, 14:43)mlmooney89 Wrote: Lesson learned? Don't kill if you don't want to die.

No, lesson not learned. Lesson learned would be if it had any positive effect on society or the next guy going on a killing spree. But that doesn't happen as every available statistic - ever - shows.
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RE: Dylann Roof sentenced to death
(11th January 2017, 14:29)abaris Wrote: I always admire the victim's families who staunchly oppose capital punishment. And there are lots of them. I'm not entirely sure, but I seem to remember that even in this case, family members spoke out against dishing out death.


Quote:Just two days after 9 people were killed inside Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church, mourning loved ones vocalized their mercy and compassion for the accused gunman, even before they had a chance to bury the dead.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national...-1.2855446

It's amazing. Sadly, I don't think I'd have the same grace if it was me.
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