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I'm sick of hearing about the "Five Ways"!
#31
RE: I'm sick of hearing about the "Five Ways"!
Basically, it's all just saying "you can't have a domino rally without some dude to flick the first one".

There are various problems with the initial assumptions, and then the logic applied isn't even correct. The conclusions don't match up. Some of it doesn't even make sense. It's a shambles. Maybe it was somewhat impressive in 8000 BC or whenever this Aquaman guy lived. If this converted anyone into belief in God, I'd be seriously concerned about them.
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#32
RE: I'm sick of hearing about the "Five Ways"!
(13th January 2017, 06:45)chimp3 Wrote: I guess I have not been paying attention. This is the first time I have heard of the 5 Ways.

There's a Five Ways in Birmingham. It's got all sorts of retail and leisure facilities. Beats nine colours of shit out of anything Aquinas ever did.
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#33
RE: I'm sick of hearing about the "Five Ways"!
(13th January 2017, 06:45)chimp3 Wrote: I guess I have not been paying attention. This is the first time I have heard of the 5 Ways.

They are designed to indicate that a god is necessary for our reality to exist and to work as it does.  It's the ultimate 'gaps' approach to believing in god.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

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#34
RE: I'm sick of hearing about the "Five Ways"!
They actually weren't designed to do that.  That's how modern believers often misapply them, but hey, what can you do.
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#35
RE: I'm sick of hearing about the "Five Ways"!
(13th January 2017, 08:31)robvalue Wrote: Basically, it's all just saying "you can't have a domino rally without some dude to flick the first one".

There are various problems with the initial assumptions, and then the logic applied isn't even correct. The conclusions don't match up. Some of it doesn't even make sense. It's a shambles. Maybe it was somewhat impressive in 8000 BC or whenever this Aquaman guy lived. If this converted anyone into belief in God, I'd be seriously concerned about them.

Beautiful reply.  "Aquaman" was my favorite part.
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Thank you Smile
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