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If God created all the good things around us then it means he created all EVIL too
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RE: If God created all the good things around us then it means he created all EVIL too
(January 16, 2017 at 11:15 am)Crossless1 Wrote: I love how these stock 'villain' characters (i.e., uppity intellectuals) in believers' modern legends are so dim-witted that they are undone by the simplest and most simple-minded of Socratic exchanges.

It has to be simple enough for the fucktards employing them.
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RE: If God created all the good things around us then it means he created all EVIL too
(January 16, 2017 at 10:36 am)Stimbo Wrote:
Isaiah 45:7 Wrote:I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

You don't need to propagate cheesy modern myths when the cheesy old myths do the job so much better.

We've been through this before but, I went and checked three different translation and the word evil is better translated as calamity. You should get yourself a different translation. You should. have gone on and read verses 9,10 and 11.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#13
RE: If God created all the good things around us then it means he created all EVIL too
Evil is wearing clothes of mixed fabrics, eating tuna and shellfish, and working on the sabbath. It's not committing genocide, holding people in slavery, stealing, lying, and raping women who don't cry out. At least according to the Bible.
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RE: If God created all the good things around us then it means he created all EVIL too
(January 16, 2017 at 11:23 am)robvalue Wrote: The absence of good/love/faith/whatever is neutral. Another result of binary religious thinking.

Otherwise they are suggesting not loving something is the same as smashing it to pieces with a baseball bat.

Put in the context of morality, neutrality is evil.
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RE: If God created all the good things around us then it means he created all EVIL too
(January 17, 2017 at 12:41 am)Godschild Wrote:
(January 16, 2017 at 10:36 am)Stimbo Wrote: You don't need to propagate cheesy modern myths when the cheesy old myths do the job so much better.

We've been through this before but, I went and checked three different translation and the word evil is better translated as calamity. You should get yourself a different translation. You should. have gone on and read verses 9,10 and 11.

GC

I'm unsure that the translation of the word as 'calamity' improves the theists' case. The Italian hotel recently buried in the avalanche certainly qualifies as a calamity, but it is also an example of what is called 'natural evil', that is to say an occurrence which visits great harm on blameless people, and does so without a human agency involved. To wit: Since humans didn't cause the avalanche, it was a natural occurrence. Since believers tend to credit God as the creator and sustainer of the natural world, this disaster falls squarely into God's camp.

So, the verse from Isaiah, whether the translation of the word in question is 'calamity' or 'evil', still puts the onus on theists to explain why God routinely destroys innocent people when he could just as easily not destroy them.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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RE: If God created all the good things around us then it means he created all EVIL too
(January 22, 2017 at 8:04 am)Huggy74 Wrote:
(January 16, 2017 at 11:23 am)robvalue Wrote: The absence of good/love/faith/whatever is neutral. Another result of binary religious thinking.

Otherwise they are suggesting not loving something is the same as smashing it to pieces with a baseball bat.

Put in the context of morality, neutrality is evil.

Then by doing nothing while a rape is being committed, or a child is being murdered as a witch, all gods are evil.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: If God created all the good things around us then it means he created all EVIL too
I always found this argument pathetic. It's a completely false analogy. Darkness is demonstrably the absence of light. Cold is demonstrably the absence of heat. The notion of evil being the absence of good cannot be demonstrated. In fact I'd say if anything it's the other way around. To be a good person the absence of being evil... i.e. not murdering people is more important when it comes to being good than doing positively good deeds.
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RE: If God created all the good things around us then it means he created all EVIL too
(January 22, 2017 at 8:04 am)Huggy74 Wrote:
(January 16, 2017 at 11:23 am)robvalue Wrote: The absence of good/love/faith/whatever is neutral. Another result of binary religious thinking.

Otherwise they are suggesting not loving something is the same as smashing it to pieces with a baseball bat.

Put in the context of morality, neutrality is evil.

Morality is not binary either, Hugs. It is relative and subjective.

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RE: If God created all the good things around us then it means he created all EVIL too
I find it interesting that the same people who say atheism is simply a lack of belief in God balk at the idea that evil is the lack of a good that ought to be.
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RE: If God created all the good things around us then it means he created all EVIL too
Actually it's more about a good that is touted as being yet standing aside while evil happens.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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