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Human Devolution
#21
RE: Human Devolution
(January 19, 2017 at 6:41 pm)Pulse Wrote: There is controversy regarding GA, as Will Larson expressed in his article Genetic Programming: A Novel Failure. 

There is no controversy over GAs. If intelligent design was required then GAs wouldn't work. But they do.


(January 19, 2017 at 6:41 pm)Pulse Wrote: Again can you show a concrete example in Nature that shows a mutation increasing, and not corrupting, the Genome? Granted some mutations can, for example, make a mosquito more resistant to pesticides, but this mutation actually corrupts the Genome and makes the organism weaker.

Define what you mean by corrupting the genome.

If a mutation makes a mosquito more resistant to pesticides then how does this make the organism weaker? It actually improves the evolutionary fitness of an organism. This is why antibiotic resistance is on the rise for example.

(January 19, 2017 at 6:33 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:Living things are distinguished by their specified complexity.

Certainly not true of creatards.

Go blow your fucking god out your ass.... whichever silly-assed god you think exists.

You might try reading Dawkins but I'm sure the big words would throw you.


Also complexity is not the defining feature of life. If it was then my computer would be alive. Or even a telephone book.
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#22
RE: Human Devolution
(January 19, 2017 at 6:15 pm)Pulse Wrote: Remember the Second Law says Entropy increases, so how did Order evolve in Genomes??







At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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#23
RE: Human Devolution
(January 19, 2017 at 6:41 pm)Pulse Wrote: There is controversy regarding GA, as Will Larson expressed in his article Genetic Programming: A Novel Failure. 

Just had a quick scan of this. Genetic programming is not the same as a genetic algorithm.

Genetic programming is an idea for using GAs to create computer programs. That wasn't very successful for many different reasons. GAs are used for so many more things. For example for creating neural networks, electronic system diagrams, aerofoils for use on planes etc. They are simply a computational search based on an understanding of evolution.
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#24
RE: Human Devolution
The creatards always leave out the bit about the "isolated system."  So typical.  When something doesn't support their fucking fairy tales they simply ignore it.
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#25
RE: Human Devolution
Referencing crack pots like Bauer and Cremo are not helping your cause. Even Stanford is a crack pot outside of plant genetics. 

Attacking science when you obviously know little is not helping you cause.

Have you been so well programmed and brain washed that you can't think for yourself? It's obvious to me that you are not doing any of your own investigation and are simply regurgitating hand/cherry picked references from the church to make a position. A poor position that is easily refuted. Based on your behavior that's the only conclusion I can come to. 

How about you drop the science attack and give us your position on why you think god exists. Give us your evidence.
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#26
RE: Human Devolution
Nothing supports their fairytales; that's why they have to keep slinging shit at the opposition. Which wouldn't be so bad, if it weren't so insultingly trivial to debunk.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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#27
RE: Human Devolution
(January 19, 2017 at 6:44 pm)Mathilda Wrote:
(January 19, 2017 at 6:41 pm)Pulse Wrote: There is controversy regarding GA, as Will Larson expressed in his article Genetic Programming: A Novel Failure. 

There is no controversy over GAs. If intelligent design was required then GAs wouldn't work. But they do.


(January 19, 2017 at 6:41 pm)Pulse Wrote: Again can you show a concrete example in Nature that shows a mutation increasing, and not corrupting, the Genome? Granted some mutations can, for example, make a mosquito more resistant to pesticides, but this mutation actually corrupts the Genome and makes the organism weaker.

Define what you mean by corrupting the genome.

If a mutation makes a mosquito more resistant to pesticides then how does this make the organism weaker? It actually improves the evolutionary fitness of an organism. This is why antibiotic resistance is on the rise for example.

(January 19, 2017 at 6:33 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Certainly not true of creatards.

Go blow your fucking god out your ass.... whichever silly-assed god you think exists.

You might try reading Dawkins but I'm sure the big words would throw you.


Also complexity is not the defining feature of life. If it was then my computer would be alive. Or even a telephone book.

As Dr Carl Wielend writes; A mutational loss or defect can cause resistance. For instance, Mycobacterium tuberculosis, the cause of TB, has an enzyme which (as well as its other useful functions) changes the antibiotic isoniazid into a form which destroys the bacterium. A mutation causes the loss of that enzyme and helps the pathogen withstand isoniazid.2 To give another example: the 4-quinolone antibiotics attack the enzyme DNA gyrase inside various bacteria. 3 An informationally insignificant mutation which results in the substitution of one amino acid by another destroys the enzyme/antibiotic interaction. More commonly, resistance arises through mutational defects that cause the inactivation of genes which control transport through the cell membrane. If the antibiotic is less efficiently taken up, it does not accumulate as readily to toxic levels.  

Genetic Antibiotic Resistance is devolution, not evolution.
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#28
RE: Human Devolution
(January 19, 2017 at 7:41 pm)Pulse Wrote:
(January 19, 2017 at 6:44 pm)Mathilda Wrote: There is no controversy over GAs. If intelligent design was required then GAs wouldn't work. But they do.



Define what you mean by corrupting the genome.

If a mutation makes a mosquito more resistant to pesticides then how does this make the organism weaker? It actually improves the evolutionary fitness of an organism. This is why antibiotic resistance is on the rise for example.



Also complexity is not the defining feature of life. If it was then my computer would be alive. Or even a telephone book.

As Dr Carl Wielend writes; A mutational loss or defect can cause resistance. For instance, Mycobacterium tuberculosis, the cause of TB, has an enzyme which (as well as its other useful functions) changes the antibiotic isoniazid into a form which destroys the bacterium. A mutation causes the loss of that enzyme and helps the pathogen withstand isoniazid.2 To give another example: the 4-quinolone antibiotics attack the enzyme DNA gyrase inside various bacteria. 3 An informationally insignificant mutation which results in the substitution of one amino acid by another destroys the enzyme/antibiotic interaction. More commonly, resistance arises through mutational defects that cause the inactivation of genes which control transport through the cell membrane. If the antibiotic is less efficiently taken up, it does not accumulate as readily to toxic levels.  

Genetic Antibiotic Resistance is devolution, not evolution.

"Genetic Antibiotic Resistance is devolution, not evolution."

Unsubstantiated claim.  Please support it with a credible, peer reviewed scientific article
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#29
RE: Human Devolution
(January 19, 2017 at 7:41 pm)Pulse Wrote: [edit]

As Dr Carl Wielend writes; A mutational loss or defect can cause resistance. For instance, Mycobacterium tuberculosis, the cause of TB, has an enzyme which (as well as its other useful functions) changes the antibiotic isoniazid into a form which destroys the bacterium. A mutation causes the loss of that enzyme and helps the pathogen withstand isoniazid.2 To give another example: the 4-quinolone antibiotics attack the enzyme DNA gyrase inside various bacteria. 3 An informationally insignificant mutation which results in the substitution of one amino acid by another destroys the enzyme/antibiotic interaction. More commonly, resistance arises through mutational defects that cause the inactivation of genes which control transport through the cell membrane. If the antibiotic is less efficiently taken up, it does not accumulate as readily to toxic levels.  

Genetic Antibiotic Resistance is devolution, not evolution.

You need to stop. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. It is not a loss or defect. It is an adaptation. I'm not sure if you will be able to understand the attached. Maybe give it to your handlers and have them read it. 

Jump to isoniazid. 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2002067/

For quinolones.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3985860/

This resistance is an example of evolution in your life time. Not much support for your argument.
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#30
RE: Human Devolution
The little germicule has a new toxin in it's environment, successive generations will have members with more and less resistance to the toxin, and the ones with more are going to enjoy better reproductive success.

Doesn't seem to hard to noodle out there, unless of course, an individual has self-decerebrated in response to religious dogma.
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