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A rational explanation for hell?
RE: A rational explanation for hell?
OK, at least you have proven that you are not willfully obtuse.
Trying to update my sig ...
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RE: A rational explanation for hell?
(September 15, 2010 at 8:13 pm)Entropist Wrote: Bill Gates and Stalin accordingly are BOTH in hell-- what they did is irrelevant. Bill Gates philanthropy counts for nothing, but neither does Stalin's murder of millions. It is only because they both are/were atheists that condemns them. What those neurons in your brain do is more important than helping or harming people apparently.
I agree we should think about ourselves, our souls. But
What you say about Bill Gates. Yes i agree - Bill Gates confirmed "there is no proof of soul's existence"and thus he is agnostic or even atheist. And thus he acts as atheist. And what did he do? He is evil!
we bought some programs from MS, bill gates. and he came out to be completely demoniac satan! he spent... more than 1 100 000 dollars - to make contraceptions, make condoms... and also - they are made out of cows! yes! news confirm that there are 11 "winners"in condoms "competition", and each one gets some 100 000 dollars! and one group of condom-makers - they got 100 000 dollars, and they want to make condoms out of either cow or something like other living being like fish etc.
so what is this! indians say that cow is HOLY! and they say: one who kills a holy (or not - doesn't matter) cow - he goes to hell for as many hundreds thousands of years as there is number of hairs on dead or murdered cow (in case of bill gates - for condoms)...
it is not a joke! you search website of bill gates - his fund (melinda) - and they really give money for condoms! and even they don't make it from cows - still they support in this way contraception which is no better than killing of unborn children - abortion. so bill gates payed 1 100 000 dollars to kill newborn children! yes he payed million dollars for abortion! and isn't this hell?
for this bill gates deserves punishment in darkest regions of hell...
yes i know there are other demons like him - many other companies who produce condoms, tobacco, alcohol etc... they are demons!
moreover... yes, at least one little good thing - as far as i know - bill gates spent some 500 000 dollars (or not he only, but partially - together with some other rich man) - he spent that to fight tobacco.
but this is stupidity - I mean - what is the use for him to spend money against tabaccoo (which kills, and buddhists say - even passive smokers go to eternal hells, and also - those grow or sell tobacco - also they will go to hell for duration of existence of universe - they call it kalpa in buddhism, though in India it is less - some 4,3-8,5 billions years. still - a lot!)...
you see how demoniac bill gates is?
he must be cursed to death in eternal hells for thrillions of lifetimes... yes, and all atheists as well for their countelss sins against God and religion... God will personally kill all the atheists... you know, KALKI avatara will come at the end of Kali Yuga, after some 427 000 years...
oh GOD, oh Vishnu, oh Narayana, of Varaha, oh Narasimha, oh Krishna, oh Rama, oh all Vishnu avataras in all the universes. please kill this demon Bill Gates and all other atheists for their countless sins. please kill all the tobacco growers tobacco smokers and sellers, and put the eternal hells for trillions of lifetimes!
this sin of gates is not the one and only. he also killed childred (paralized to death) with his vaccines, he also made GMO-products. and ... he wasted so much money for toilets and some stuff from excriments. what a rascal!
We are anonymous! we do not forgive bill gates for his countless crimes against God! we do not forget freedom!
expect us! bill gates, you should have expected our souls, lives, but you didn't! you must expect existence, but instead you'll get our resistance. and don't say we didn't warn you bill !
bill, you are yourself at fault that we all curse you to eternal hells for trillions of lifetimes.
Bill Gates and Microsoft Devil Burn in Argue eternal hell!
Atheists, agnostics, Devil burn in eternal hells ! Argue for trillions of neverending lifetimes

Hare Krishna
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(September 15, 2010 at 9:28 am)Skipper Wrote: I also want to know why hell was created by God. And also why he created the devil or hasn't destroyed him yet. Seeing as most Christians blame sin or sinful actions on the devil, why can't god (the all powerful being that he is) just get rid of the devil and therefore get rid of all sin and then we can all go to heaven and live forever with sky daddy.

God can do anything. At least Vishnu can. the thing, why material world is created - because... because it is freedom of will for every soul. soul can either serve God, Vishnu or not. So everyone in this material world some time in past was kind of atheist - and rejected God, Vishnu and wanted to be LORD in hell, instead of servant in heaven, in eternal spiritual world... Vaikuntha or Goloka...
then we became someone like Lord Brahmas, and created our universes, lived other trillions of human years, lived other millions lifetimes.
some lifetimes were long, others - short. like trees, flowers, grass, plants ... still consciousness has to develop. after many lifetimes, even forms like stone - they develop consciousnes, and then reincarnate.
some yogis degrade - they become stones. they are false yogis.
some demons, asuras or rakshasas - they also try to meditate on Vishnu - and they also get punishment. it is said in Iso Upanishad - that some killers of souls- they are asuras, atheists - they are more dangerous than killers of physical body... that is second death, or spiritual death. those who die spiritually, those who think soul is matter, and that there is no God - they are demons, killers of soul (and thus - suicide themselves, and kill others - people, animals , holy cows etc)...
you ask why Krishna create millions universes? simple!
He is cause of everything. He expands himself in other forms, then finally - as Mahavishnu. Mahavishnu breathes out - and many Brahmas appear. so each Brahma wants to be like Krishna or God. so finally if some Brahma is non devotee - he can even degrade to level of some demon, asura... yes, or he can degrade so that he is punished in hell. yes. it is his karma... so why did Krishna create karma? well., he didn't create it directly - He just gives matter and He is source of all souls... and souls themselves decide to "cooperate" with matter - and thus they create karma - good bad etc -go to heaven or hell. still it is temporary, if that is not eternal spiritual world, beyond matter, beyond even material heavenly planets (even above planet of Brahma and Indra, head of all demogods)...
Chrisitians cannot really get rid of devil or Satan. Jesus only said - "satan - go away from me", but can Jesus defeat some asura like Ravana, Hiranyakashipu, Hiranyaksha, Kamsa etc? no, I'm not sure. Jesus was just crucified to death by some demoniac people that's all..
Thus vaisnavism is much better than chrisitianity. we accept reincarnation, karma... yes, eternal hell is non existent in vaishnavism. there are longest hells - also in buddhism - but such hells are not eternal... so we criticize abrahamic religious philosophers or theologicians for that they say that there is "eternal hell".. hell there is...
ther are hundreds thousands of hellish planets in this material universe.
there are some 6 or even 7 hellish planetary systems... and ral atheists go there... so atheists. take care - hells are real, and be careful not to get there!
there is something even worse than hell.
in Bhagavad Gita chptr 16, Krishna says that asuras, demons, worst atheists - they are repeatedly reborn in lowest species of life, they always become demons in each and every life, and always are opposed do demigods, who live on heavenly planets... but as far as we can conclude, worst demons, worst atheists/asuras - they fall down indeed from spiritual world / Vaikuntha doors like Jaya and Vijaya. this is similar to the fall of Lucifer - who was kind of angel and became head of demons...
yes, there are leaders of demons. in Vedas his name - guru , teacher, leader of demons, asuras - his name is Shukracharya... but it's another story.

your last question - "why can't we all go to heaven"- we can. if we want. but we want higher than heaven - to eternal spiritual world.
there was a demon - Ravana - he wanted to build a stair-way to heaven - so that everyone who doesn't perform sacrifices or who doesn't worship Vishnu - still "he will go to heaven using this stair"...
finally Ravana was killed by Rama avatara of Vishnu (or say Rama is source of Vishnu)

so it is a question of your choice, of every soul: what he wants...
just like... a little, as in computer game. imagine you have many lifetimes. actually - countless lifetimes... but in each life - you create karma or you get rid of it... and if you created bad karma, in your computer game you go to hellish level, but not as enjoyer - but as punished victim for your sins... do you know any computer game which has "hell level"where you are punished?
well you can know computer games in which you are killed...
so material world is a little like computer game - you think you are material body, but actually you are some player by computer (soul), and you play a game.
by the way - there is another thing I wanted to discuss - artificial intelligence and "avatar controller", but in some other subject.
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RE: A rational explanation for hell?
Nice wall of text. \sarcasm
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(January 24, 2014 at 12:53 pm)Darkstar Wrote: [Image: 5529576423_90278e312a.jpg]

Almost makes me want to promote necroposting. Angel

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RE: A rational explanation for hell?
That shithead is going to hindus a bad name!
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RE: A rational explanation for hell?
God doesn't send anyone to hell, Ace. They choose to go there. He merely respects a person's wishes, never forcing himself upon anyone who cannot stand to be near his loving presence. The deprivation of his loving presence is well, hell.

And no, I don't believe in this bullshit.
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
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