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Are stigmas and and prejudices, inherently based on fear, ignorance and hatred?
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RE: Are stigmas and and prejudices, inherently based on fear, ignorance and hatred?
(February 8, 2017 at 2:43 pm)WisdomOfTheTrees Wrote: I have thought often of how prejudice, stigmas, and hatred work, and it seems to me that the people who feel hatred (the kkk, homophobes, etc) are often doing so out of a sense of fear, and are ignorant of the people they hate. In essence, they don't understand why they exist, so they hate them. I feel that with understanding eliminates this hatred, in whatever sense it may be. If someone raped your daughter, for example, if you figured out that that person has a specific part of their brain that lacks empathy, you may say that they were destined by nature to be a rapist and have more sympathy. Or, if it turned out that they were raped as a child, then it was nurture which made them a rapist. Either way, even in the most extreme cases, it seems that an understanding, a cool calm and rational understanding free of emotional response, absolves hate. What is your opinion?

That is to say that hatred, prejudice, fear, are the categories of emotional responses. Whereas understanding does not involve this sort of thinking. Perhaps you could even liken it to the difference between the sober, rational, scientific mind, and the irrational, emotional, religious mind.

I am prejudiced against people who put themselves in certain boxes.

For example members of the KKK, they have chosen to be part of a racist organisation and to dress really badly.

They have decided to be part of a club and can be dismissed as the worst humans you could meet.







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#12
RE: Are stigmas and and prejudices, inherently based on fear, ignorance and hatred?
(February 8, 2017 at 3:15 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Many emotional responses are instinctive. People tend to fear snakes and spiders not puppies or ducks. People are also naturally inclined to distrust strangers. People are averse to dung and vomit but crave sweets and fatty foods. Understanding a threat does not entail ignoring its danger. The question at hand is not the origin of natural feelings or instincts but rather how to attain the judgement to know if and when we should use reason to overcome what nature imposes or to comply with it.
This is a fair point, the human mind has a natural threat response. However, I think the question still remains if this threat response is "civilized" in the sense of how we use it with cultural taboos and the laws we impose on others. It seems to me that as a society, we tend to honor the hero and hate the villain. But this doesn't make sense, it doesn't seem like the sort of way that a civilized, enlightened society would think. If we look at people, they're nothing more than biological mechanisms, and furthermore, it's not fair to say that someone should behave according to rules that are implemented by someone with totally different rules. It's as if the person imposing their rules was under the impression that the other person was operating under the same rules, but chose to break them knowingly. Not so. Every person is their own island, they are alone and solitary in their own perspective of the world. A world view can be influenced, but everyone's world view is ultimately different, and so is everyone's interpretation of reality. I often say that reality is objective, but perception is subjective; this exemplifies itself in this case.
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#13
RE: Are stigmas and and prejudices, inherently based on fear, ignorance and hatred?
(February 8, 2017 at 3:30 pm)Khemikal Wrote: I love it when people say something really iffy, get stymied by a "stupid" remark, and then block the person in response, while babbling about conflating reason and emotion.  Physician, heal thyself.

Angel

He was right, though.  He was talking about root causes. Your response was being x makes person x.  Well, duh.  Does not address what he was discussing at all.

It was pretty emotional to block you over it, though.  All the same, he was not claiming to be a Vulcan, nor was he babbling.
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#14
RE: Are stigmas and and prejudices, inherently based on fear, ignorance and hatred?
Certainly not right in the sophomoric attempt to create a dichotomous wall between reason and emotion, understanding and hatred, by reference to some shit about what makes a rapist a rapist. Which is kindof the point in knocking down a preamble like that one.
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#15
RE: Are stigmas and and prejudices, inherently based on fear, ignorance and hatred?
(February 8, 2017 at 3:47 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Certainly not right in the sophomoric attempt to create a dichotomous wall between reason and emotion, understanding and hatred, by reference to some shit about what makes a rapist a rapist.  Which is kindof the point in knocking down a preamble like that one.
Go read free will by sam harris.
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#16
RE: Are stigmas and and prejudices, inherently based on fear, ignorance and hatred?
(February 8, 2017 at 3:24 pm)Exian Wrote: Heather McGhee (who's she? http://www.demos.org/heather-c-mcghee) was on C-SPAN not too long ago fielding questions from callers when she gets a call from Gary from North Caroline...

[Youtube]BsUa7eCgE_U[/youtube]

The conversation in this video is by far more important than shouting "Your views are wrong!" The problem is this is a best case scenario. In the link below you can read a follow up of Gary going to the library to check out books to learn more about people of color. What I see on a daily basis are people who are happy to hate, and who would like nothing more than to not need to learn more about people who are different from them. The conversation in the video is a two way street where both people were willing to listen. Unfortunately, that's not always the case.

In my opinion, and I think it follows, learning eliminates fear-based prejudice, but the issue is getting to a place where people on both sides want that conversation. Heather McGhee was well-prepared, but you could easily see a lesser person snapping at the "I'm prejudice." Again, it's a two way street.

Here's a follow-up on Gary.
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/0...nt-america
That was a very good video, and a very sensitive question that guy asked. The response was making me a little nervous, but it was delivered well. It made me somewhat nervous, because it was required to be a sensitive response to such a sensitive question, and such things can often go awry and ruin everything. 

This does seem to play in a little to what I was saying about not understanding and fear underlying prejudice in general. I'd go as far to say that it's what makes up all prejudice and hate, as a universal rule, based on so many conjectures I have made.
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#17
RE: Are stigmas and and prejudices, inherently based on fear, ignorance and hatred?
Prejudices are by definition based without reason or evidence.

Hatred is an emotion, again by definition.

Prejudices and stigma could be based on lots of things.

Also pretty much everyone feels hated. Homophobes, homosexuals, the kkk, black people.
I don't think you can say one specific group feels hatred.


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#18
RE: Are stigmas and and prejudices, inherently based on fear, ignorance and hatred?
For Paul.

Quote:Hatred is an emotion, again by definition.
Agreed, do you think that some hatreds can be rationally justifiable, or based upon an understanding of the hated thing or person or group?

Let's start with an "easy" one.  Hatred of predatory lending institutions?  Conversely, would a better understanding of predatory lending institutions lead to less or no hatred thereof?  Repeat with the individuals who accomplish the work of predatory lending.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#19
RE: Are stigmas and and prejudices, inherently based on fear, ignorance and hatred?
I agree, but the concept of racism, discrimination, and sexism has been mostly bastardized, and diluted by the Victim culture, (at least where I live) to the point in which many people don't even see any of the above as a problem.
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#20
RE: Are stigmas and and prejudices, inherently based on fear, ignorance and hatred?
. . .


Please stop making new threads. More than 20% of your posts have been new threads, and that is too high.
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