Was Hitler objectively bad?

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

Atheist argument goes like this:

I dont believe in God 'cos SOME theists believe X
I dont like X
Therefore there is no God.

Oh dea,r you really don't pay attention do you.THERE IS NO ATHEISTS ARGUMENT. Atheism is a position,not a philosophy. My position and that of others here is "I don't believe due to lack of evidence". It's not a matter of choice.

[solja247]

No, the conclusion is just that the Christian god, imaginary or otherwise, is merely a Supreme Asshole. You want to "worship" a genocidal tyrant, that's fine, but then to turn around and talk about Hitler being "evil" in some objective sense (for doing the same thing no less) is ironic to say the very least. Too bad if some atheists feel the need to point out this glaring inconsistency.

If I can prove to you that the Jews (OT) had an anthropomorphic God, will you stop using this argument?

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Oh dea,r you really don't pay attention do you.THERE IS NO ATHEISTS ARGUMENT. Atheism is a position,not a philosophy. My position and that of others here is "I don't believe due to lack of evidence". It's not a matter of choice.

Funny that. One of the main arguments athiests have against God is eternal hell, they think that the idea of God spending people to hell is ridiculous (which it is) but that is one of the largest objections people have against God...

[Entropist]

If I can prove to you that the Jews (OT) had an anthropomorphic God, will you stop using this argument?

No, I won't.

[Zen Badger]

If I can prove to you that the Jews (OT) had an anthropomorphic God, will you stop using this argument?

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So what if the jews thought he was human shaped, it doesn't stop him being an arsehole

Funny that. One of the main arguments athiests have against God is eternal hell, they think that the idea of God spending people to hell is ridiculous (which it is) but that is one of the largest objections people have against God...

No, the largest objection is THE COMPLETE AND UTTER LACK OF OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE.

Understand now?

[Skipper]

Funny that. One of the main arguments athiests have against God is eternal hell, they think that the idea of God spending people to hell is ridiculous (which it is) but that is one of the largest objections people have against God...

I can only speak personally, but my biggest argument I have against a god is that I don't believe one exists due to lack of evidence, that's what my Atheism is, thats what Atheism is... thats all it is. Separate to that I do indeed argue that the idea of an all loving god that Christians worship that sends people to hell is ridiculous, but that is only as part of my complete disliking of organised religion and the trouble is causes and my attempts to point that out to what I consider the poor people who have found themselves caught up in it. It has nothing to do with my Atheism that I think what the bible teaches is shit, just like it has nothing to do with my Atheism that I think the Koran is shit and causes more harm and division in the world than would be here without it.

I have nothing against people having a faith in something, despite how silly I may find it, I do however take a stance where I think organised religion needs to be challenged at every opportunity and exposed as the control, exploitation and indoctrination vehicle that it is. Again, nothing to do with me being an Atheist as that is just having no belief in a god! Nothing else!

[solja247]

No, I won't.

Why not?
When I was first confronted with evolution, I said I would rather die, than belive in that rubbish. However, I cant deny the evidence and thus believe in evoluton, of soughts (No, im not talkiing about 'micro-evolution')...
You should do the same, famous Atheists like Dawkins are no match for people like Dr William Craig, Atheists like Dawkin are incredibly ignorant of theology or philosophy, that when they enter either relam, they loose. Knowledge is power, remember that...

I can only speak personally, but my biggest thing against god is that I don't believe one exists due to lack of evidence, that's what my Atheism is, thats what Atheism is... thats all it is. Separate to that I do indeed argue that the idea of an all loving god that Christians worship that sends people to hell is ridiculous, but that is only as part of my complete disliking of organised religion and the trouble is causes and my attempts to point that out to what I consider the poor people who have found themselves caught up in it. It has nothing to do with my Atheism that I think what the bible teaches is shit, just like it has nothing to do with my Atheism that I think the Koran is shit and causes more harm and division in the world than would be here without it.

I personally find that quite a few atheists couldnt possibly believe in God because of the idea of eternal hell. To my understanding a lot of Atheists have this problem, getting past this idea of eternal hell (Even after they dont believe in God). So why would it not be an argument against God???

I have nothing against people having a faith in something, despite how silly I may find it, I do however take a stance where I think organised religion needs to be challenged at every opportunity and exposed as the control, exploitation and indoctrination vehicle that it is. Again, nothing to do with me being an Atheist as that is just having no belief in a god! Nothing else!

As do I. I was surprised that there was such things as hell houses. When Dawkins talked about it, I was utterly ashamed and angered that people would use fear, for them to stick to Theism, that is child abuse and should be illegal and pastors should be thrown into jail for that!
I am against people pushing their own views on people as well. Its weird, people will make friends with the non-religous, so they can convert them?!? Bloody ridiculous, sure if they are ask you questions, fire away, but seriously? its the dumbest thing I have heard! I dont make friends with people so that they will like Ginger beer or that they will like the same food as me. Anyways, Im going on a tangent...

[Skipper]

I can only speak personally, but my biggest thing against god is that I don't believe one exists due to lack of evidence, that's what my Atheism is, thats what Atheism is... thats all it is. Separate to that I do indeed argue that the idea of an all loving god that Christians worship that sends people to hell is ridiculous, but that is only as part of my complete disliking of organised religion and the trouble is causes and my attempts to point that out to what I consider the poor people who have found themselves caught up in it. It has nothing to do with my Atheism that I think what the bible teaches is shit, just like it has nothing to do with my Atheism that I think the Koran is shit and causes more harm and division in the world than would be here without it.

I personally find that quite a few atheists couldnt possibly believe in God because of the idea of eternal hell. To my understanding a lot of Atheists have this problem, getting past this idea of eternal hell (Even after they dont believe in God). So why would it not be an argument against God???

It's not an argument against God from an Atheists point of view because it does not come into the equation. The idea of a heaven and hell aren't real as far as I'm concerned. And I don't think any Atheist would say they did exist as part of the reason why they don't believe in god.It often comes up as a separate point from Atheists as to why they also think religions are stupid, but it's not the reason they don't believe in the god in the first place. It seems to be only religious folk who us things god and their books say exist as part of their argument for the existence of the god. Ridiculous.

[tackattack]

I believe what Skipper and Zen are trying to get across to you soulja in regards specifically about hell is that it's not an arguement against God's existence. Hell stems from the Problem of Evil (POE) which is an arguement against the omnimax attributed Christian God because omnibenevolence and eternal torment are contradictory.

[solja247]

It's not an argument against God from an Atheists point of view because it does not come into the equation. The idea of a heaven and hell aren't real as far as I'm concerned. And I don't think any Atheist would say they did exist as part of the reason why they don't believe in god.It often comes up as a separate point from Atheists as to why they also think religions are stupid, but it's not the reason they don't believe in the god in the first place. It seems to be only religious folk who us things god and their books say exist as part of their argument for the existence of the god. Ridiculous.

I think this thread explains what Im saying:
http://atheistforums.org/thread-4617-page-1.html

Note: Dave4shumps 'converted' for some silly reason because his church wasnt that intelligent. I think when one says there is no God or there is, they have commited objectivity suicide and nothing will convince them either way...

[Entropist]

Right. OK, the Jews had an anthropomorphic god-- something you don't have to tell anyone. Most gods are anthropomorphic (I have rarely come across a god referred to as an "it" rather than "he" or "she"). So what? The Christian god is somehow not anthropomorphic? --the religion founded on the human incarnation of THE creator of the universe himself? It doesn't get any more human-centered than that. And the last time I checked, the god of the Torah and the god of the Christians is (at least according to Christians) the same god.

If someone wants to believe in a god that commands genocide, no one is stopping anyone. I don't have any faith in any gods anyway, so as far as myself is concerned, its irrelevant anyway. But don't expect just everyone to find such a god a great model for "morality" when (understood literally or mythically) he did the same thing Hitler and other tyrants did. Seems a tad hypocritical, a case of the pot calling the kettle black. I can't help it if that is uncomfortable and so it is re-interpreted some way that somehow makes it less embarrassing to modern sensibilities.

Just so you know, I don't believe in Zeus either, but I say he was a prick too. As well as a number of other gods. I don't care how such stories about them are interpreted. Just because its fiction doesn't mean I can't have opinions about their actions according to a narrative. Its what makes reading fiction and watching films interesting.